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2006-11-29 19:05:47 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin

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Functions of the Residential Institutions Redress Board.

5.-(1) The Board shall-

(a) make awards in accordance with this Act which are fair and reasonable having regard to the unique circumstances of each applicant,
(b) make all reasonable efforts, through public advertisement, direct correspondence with persons who were residents of an institution and otherwise, to ensure that persons who were residents of an institution are made aware of the function, referred to in paragraph (a), of the Board,
(c) have regard to the age and health of an applicant when determining the order in which applications are heard by it, and
(d) ensure, in so far as is practicable, that hearings are conducted as informally as is possible having regard to all the circumstances.
(2) The Board shall have all such powers as are necessary or expedient for the performance of its functions.
(3) When considering an application under this Act the Board- (a) shall not address any issue of fault or negligence arising out of evidence given in an application under this Act, and
(b) shall not make a finding of fact relating to fault or negligence referred to in paragraph (a).
(4) The Board may-
(a) give directions for the purposes of exercising its functions under this Act, and
(b) make provision for the taking of evidence on commission for the purposes of this Act.

I see nothing in the above which shows that the Board has the power to verbally abuse the very people it was set up to help and further, if the Board is in violation of the Act by such abuse, why then are counsel and or solicitors not taking them to task at the time of the remarks and or abuse?

I would encourage people to be on the lookout for unwarranted and potentially abusive remarks when they appear and that each and every one of us instruct our counsel/solicitor to take any action necessary if such abuse is voiced.

Martin John Joseph Petty-O’Callaghan,

Innumerable claimants have complained a propos at the handling they have received at the hands of the RIRB. Conversely and regrettably so it has all been to no advantage. It still continues.
The victims/survivors were not only referring to the highly esteemed, panel board members, who are by now dishonourably notorious for their superciliousness and condescending manner, but also to the ordinary full-of-themselves run-of-the-mill staff in general. whom one would think would not be a party to this type of behaviour.

I will give two examples.
1.
One victim/survivor witnessed two high profile board members sneeringly giggling and whispering as they directly came out a board meeting where a very sick victim was in attendance. The latter {who could be heard quite plainly from the eavesdroppers’ vantage point} was logically as high as a kite as she was under rigorous scrutiny/investigation from these two arrogant high-status yuppie-type know-alls. In addition, she did not have the skills to lever with these two reprehensible malicious experts. The victim/survivor, who accidentally strayed from the beaten track, and who saw this decrepit, shameful and disgusting behaviour – was gobsmacked!. IT WAS SUFFICE IT TO SAY, IMMEDIATELY REPORTED TO CHRISTINE BUCKLEY. The impertinence of them! Who do they think they are?. The staff selected for this job should be highly trained as it is costing the state a hefty sum. Redressing the pain of the past, how are you. The public should be made aware of the paltry sums that are being thrown at victims/survivors of institutional abuse. Some have been offered as little as 10, 000, 12,000 and 25,000 Euro. A legal trainee receptioniist would, annually, be in receipt of last figure quoted. SO, SO, LITTLE FOR A LIFE TIME OF SUFFERING, AND TO THINK THAT ONE HAS TO BE FURTHER ABUSED IN THE SEEKING OF THE MINISCULE REDRESS, WHICH IS RIGHTFULLY THEIRS. IT SHOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN THAT ALL OF THOSE INTERNED IN THE GULAGS IN THE PAST ESPECIALLY IN THE EARLIER YEARS WORKED EXCEEDINGLY HARD DAY IN AND DAY OUT FOR DECADES AND WERE NEVER RECOMPENSED FOR IT.
2.
On arrival at the RIRB in Clonskeagh, Dublin 14, after a long and tedious two hour journey from down the country, a panic-stricken victim was suddenly, and brusquely ushered into a room by a very belligerent staff member. Two unfamiliar solicitors were already present in this room . A few minutes later the door was aggressively flung open, and in a most strident and piercing voice the shocked victim was asked for very private details, the miserable look  ON THE FACE OF THE UNCIVIL SERVANT added to it all. The poor, tired person was so beside him/herself – that all was immediately blocked out due to sheer shock. The victim/survivor had every reason to believe that he/she would be treated with kid gloves, This was not – sadly to say – the case at the Residential institutions Redress Board. Also, it would have been a welcome relief had the solicitors that were within the room, come to the aid of the victim/survivor, alas, as with everyone else, they too remained silent. Silence is golden and always was in Goldenbridge!.
I SINCERELY HOPE THAT THE ATTITUDES OF ALL OF THE REDRESS BOARD MEMBERS HAS CHANGED. IT WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTING TO KNOW IF VETTING PROCEDURES WERE/ARE IN PLACE, ALL ACROSS THE BOARD IN ORDER TO OBTAIN POSITIONS AT THE RIRB? AS IT IS DEALING WITH VERY SENSITIVE AND VULNERABLE VICTIMS/SURVIVORS….
THEY SHOULD COME WITH ‘HANDLE WITH CARE LABELS NOT WITH NUMBERS. AS THEY INVARIABLY WERE IN THE PAST, SOLICITORS GET VIP TREATMENT, SO WHY NOT THOSE OF WHOM THE RIRB WAS SET UP FOR IN THE FIRST INSTANCE. It is just not good enough and will not be tolerated for too much longer.

“Evil, unspeakable evil, rose in our midst, and we as a people were too weak, too indecisive, too pusillanimous to deal with it.” Kevin Myers, “An Irishman’s Diary”, Irish Times, October 20, 1999

Under hypnosis of the Redress Board so many victims/survivors are also too weak and hysterical to speak out.
Also, other RIRB pusillanimous staff – by their mere silence and indifference rubber-stamp the whims and the atrociously unacceptable negative conduct of their colleagues. So they too, by default – are also to blame. Marie-Therese O’Loughlin.

COMMENT:!   RE: LEGAL MATTERS PERTAINING TO THE RESIDENTIAL INSTITUTIONS REDRESS BOARD.

MY ADVISE:  DO NOT MAKE A STATEMENT TO THE GARDAI, UNTIL AFTER YOU ARE SATISFIED AS TO WHAT INSTITUTIONS “IT” THE REDRESS BOARD, IS DEALING WITH. WHAT IF YOU HAVE MADE A STATEMENT, TO THE GARDAI, THAT IS COVERED BY THE INDEMNITY DEAL?

IF YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED TO MAKE A STATEMENT (NOW) DO NOT…BECAUSE, YOU MAY DECIDE NOT TO ACCEPT ANY OFFER MADE BY THE BOARD…AND IF THAT DOES HAPPEN….AND YOU HAVE YOUR AWARD ‘REVIEWED’ BY THE COURTS…(BYPASS THE REVIEW BOARD!) “THEN” YOU SHOULD PROCEED TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO THE GARDAI. IN ORDER TO HAVE “TWO” ISSUES RUNNING HAND IN HAND. CIVIL AND CRIMINAL. HOWEVER, I THINK IT BEST THAT YOU ‘WAIT OFF’ TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO THE GARDAI, UNTIL THE REDRESS BOARD HAS COMPLETED ITS LAST CASE….BECAUSE, IT NO LONGER CAN GAG YOU…THUS, HAVING TWO MATTERS RUNNING SIDE BY SIDE, CRIMINAL AND CIVIL, THEN ONE PROTECTS THE OTHER, AND YOU!.

IT ALSO MEANS, THAT “YOU” HAVE THE UPPER HAND…AND CANNOT BE PUSHED AROUND…BY ANYONE!….NOT EVEN IF UNDER ANY PRESSURE TO ‘ACCEPT AN AWARD…THAT IS, UNTIL YOU ARE TOTALLY HAPPY WITH WHAT IS PUT ON THE TABLE, SO TO SPEAK!
The above advise was given to a victim/survivor of institutional abuse who is COURT BOUND! VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

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 11:58:40 Setanta

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== Statement 9 == [LIES AND FALSE ALLEGATIONS OF CHILD ABUSE MADE BY CHILDREN FROM SAINT JOSEPHS ORPHANAGE KILKENNY CITY IRELAND.]

I submit that the Residential Institutions Redress Board, and the Acts which it operates under, are fundamentally flawed, and unconstitutional.

The Honorable, and Learned citizens who work and operate the Residential Institutions Redress Board are part and parcel of a system that is Crooked, Biased, Dictatorial, Secretive, Unfair, Unhelpful, and  Unfriendly.

These elusive professionals offer no good service to worthy, and Just people, and they encourage wrongful, and Vile behavior by unscrupulous applicants to the Board.

I submit that the Residential Institutions Redress Board functions  in blatant  violation of our National, European  and  International  Human, and Civil Rights.

The Redress Board is a legal body, and signed into Law by Irish Politicians,and the Irish Government, thereby implicating themselves, and the entire Irish Legal System, as being suspect of Collusion and Crooked misconduct .

Regards, Setanta.

Last edited by Setanta (2007-09-22 15:50:11)

 #83 2006-12-01 21:54:18 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin

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Blankety Blank!.RE: RECALL OF THE CHRISTIAN BROTHERS TO THE COMMISSION TO INQUIRE INTO CHILD ABUSE

Judge Sean Ryan has ultimately woken up. It is notwithstanding very late in the day for him to try save his skin.
He lost all trustworthiness with some of the abuse groups leaders, and a vast majority of victims/survivors a very long time ago.
The docile mannered bearing engaged by{who was EXCLUSIVELY MADE JUDGE FOR THE SECOND-HAND job} Judge Ryan, throughout the entirety of the Commission’s work has been very much noticed, and I should add, tremendously resented by THE AFOREMENTIONED VICTIMS/SURVIVORS.

Conciliatory mollifying, and assuaging of the religious has thus been his hallmark. So it does not impress me in the slightest, the fact that he is now expressing anger and frustration. His conscience must be starting to prick him, OR, INDEED THERE IS SOMETHING more sinister TO THE BACK OF IT.
Can this Judge not see that the religious have been running the investigation show from beginning to end with the help of the ‘supposedly’ best legal minds of the country, as only the most expensive would be fitting for them!

“Do you think we have nothing else to do? Do you think the way your firm dealt with us was satisfactory?” the chairman asked – at the recall of the CHRISTIAN BROTHERS, OF CARRIGLEA PARK, TO THE COMMISSION TO INQUIRE INTO CHILD ABUSE ON WEDNESDAY, THE 29TH OF NOV, 2006.
I could throw similar questions back at his Lordship “DO YOU THINK THAT VICTIMS/SURVIVORS OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO”? The SIMPLE answer would be in the negative NO! NO! NO!
“DO YOU THINK THE WAY THE COMMISSION TO INQUIRE INTO CHILD ABUSE HAS DEALT WITH US WAS SATISFACTORY”?AGAIN – ANOTHER SIMPLE REPLY IN THE NEGATIVE NO! NO! NO!

IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A KNOWN FACT THAT THE RELIGIOUS LED JUDGE RYAN UP THE COMMISSION INVESTIGATION GARDEN PATH. so it should not be unsurprising that IT IS ONLY NOW THAT HE HAS COPPED ON.
HIS LORDSHIP, WHO IS NOW ALMOST AT THE END OF THE COMMISSION’S WORK IS FINALLY  “owning’ the situation, HAVING until now overly PREOCCUPIED HIMSELF WITH THE ALLURE AND THRILL OF BEING MADE A JUDGE!

THE JUDGE HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN A IN A ‘RYAN-WARP’! WAKE UP,  I REPEAT, WAKE UP JUDGE RYAN, THE WALKING SISTERS/CHRISTIAN BROTHERS HAVE STEWED TEA/ MAXWELL’S COFFEE {YOUR FAVOURITE BRAND} ON THE HOB WAITING FOR YOU, NOW THAT YOUR WORK IS NEARING ITS END, YOU CAN, WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE RELIGIOUS SHOW YOUR TRUE GRIT. YOU HAVE FULFILLED THEIRS/YOUR MISSION – AND THEY ARE PLEASED WITH YOU.

THE COMMISSION, has for a long time been nicknamed ‘THE RYAN WHITEWASH COMMISSION’,.. WHAT A GHASTLY DESIGNATION TO BE BRANDED WITH. THE RELIGIOUS ARE FAR MORE SMARMY, ON THE BALL, AND SMARTER THAN THE JUDGE, BUT NONE OF THEM THOUGH, BY A  LONG CHALK ARE AS SHARP, OR AS INTELLECTUAL AS THE ERSTWHILE JUDGE MARY LAFFOY. SHE SAW THROUGH THE RELIGIOUS AND BOWED OUT WITH DECORUM FOR THE REASON THAT SHE COULD NOT CONCEDE WITH THEIR TOMFOOLERY. JUDGE RYAN, ON THE OTHER HAND, REMAINED SILENT UNTIL NOW FOR FEAR OF LOSING HIS CUSHY JOB. I WOULD SURMISE, AND BECAUSE HE WAS MOST PROBABLY CONSTRAINED BY THE GOVERNMENT WHO REQUIRED THAT THE COMMISSION GO ON – AT ALL COSTS.

“Curiosity killed the cat information made him fat” if that is so, I would love to know if the judge belongs to OPUS DEI?
IT WOULD MAKE A BUNDLE OF SENSE to a quantity of the Commission’s kit IF HE WAS!

VICTIMS/SURVIVORS HAVE INDUBITABLY FROM THE KICK-OFF OF SEAN RYAN’S ENGAGEMENT WONDERED WHETHER HE WAS THE PRECISE PERSON FOR THE JOB. AS FAR AS THEY ARE CONCERNED NOT A SOUL WILL EVER TAKE THE SITUATE OF JUDGE MARY LAFFOY! …. SHE WAS/IS SO DECIDEDLY ESTEEMED BY ALL INSTITUTIONAL VICTIMS/SURVIVORS OF ABUSE AND THAT INCLUDES THE LEADER GROUPS. TO THIS DAY , AFTER SO MANY TEARS /YEARS SHE IS MISSED/GRIEVED SO VERY MUCH WHAT AN INDICTMENT INDEED!

Further comments from his Lordship at the Carriglea Park, Industrial School recall;

“He said the Commission had been “fobbed off” and “pushed from pillar to post” in a lengthy “sparring match” with the brothers’ lawyers. Their claim for privilege “waxes and wanes, comes and goes” and was then waived for some documents.
He asked whether the brothers, by sending the Commission a blank questionnaire after six months of giving it “the run-around”, were being deliberately offensive.

Blankety blank BLANKETY BLANK!
Judge Ryan, authoritatively sanctioned this escapade, so why should he be surprised that he is being pushed around!

PRESUMPTIOUSLY, IT IS ALL JUST A PR EXERCISE TO GIVE A GOOD IMPRESSION TO JOE PUBLIC! A BIG SHOW INDEED, TO SAVE FACE AT THE LAST MINUTE. IT IS NO USE BOLTING THE STABLE DOOR AFTER THE PRIZED HORSE HAS BEEN LET LOOSE.

At least the honourable Judge Mary Laffoy stood up to them and made the non co-operation of the religious – a resigning matter.
JUDGE RYAN would never have considered the same as it has been stated ON WEBSITES that THE JUDGE was never supposed to be the man for the job in the first instance. Anyway, why would a judge who came through the back door want to throw in the towel?
The Judge is on to a good thing. I ALSO HAVE A SNEAKING SUSPICION THAT HE IS ONLY A jumped-up government PUPPET AND THE GOVERNMENT IS THE VENTRILOQUIST.

JUDGE RYAN GETS PAID THE SAME SALARY IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT HE DOES, OR DOES NOT DO, OR SAYS. So basically, AT THE END OF IT ALL HE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE. HE IS ONLY FOLLOWING ORDERS.

HIS RESIGNATION WAS  RECENTLY CALLED FOR BY ABUSE GROUP LEADERS, BUT HE HAS IGNORED THEIR PLEAS Judge Sean Ryan is going nowhere until he HAS MOPPED UP ‘THE CORNERS ONLY’ OF THE SYSTEMATIC, ATROCIOUS ABUSE OF THE IRISH INDUSTRIAL SCHOOLS OF THE PAST.

SAMPLE ON SAMPLING, CHERRY PICKING, BLANKETY BLANK JUDGE RYAN. FOOLING VICTIMS/SURVIVORS CAN ONLY OCCUR SOME OF THE TIME. NOT ALL OF THE TIME. WE KNOW. THE CARRIGLEA RECALL IS JUST ANOTHER PART OF THE PLAY TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION  TO IRISH SOCIETY THAT THE COMMISSION IS SERIOUSLY INTERSTED IN THE TRUTH. THE JUDGE WOULD NOT RECOGNISE IT FOR THAT MATTER, IF IT WAS HANDED TO HIM IN THE FORM OF A GOLD NUGGET.

The following was also stated at the Commission.

“Maxwell’ SOLICITORS then requested a private meeting with the Commission lawyers but THEY refused this.
The Commission said it had come under pressure from victims’ groups for such meetings.
“To agree to meet the Christian Brothers privately, while it might have practical benefit, would expose the Commission to criticism and claims of inconsistency”. AGAIN, ANOTHER FRONT, PRETENDING TO APPEASE THE ABUSE GROUPS AT THE TAIL END OF IT ALL. THIS JUDGE RUNS WITH THE HARE AND SITS WITH THE HOUND WHEN IT SUITS HIM!

So the religious sought a private meeting with the Commission lawyers? VERY INTRIGUING INDEED! I wonder
was it only on this occasion that they were refused, because of pressure being brought to bear? For all we know the religious lawyers and the Commission could be drinking out of the same TOILET BOWL. GOLDENBRIDGE INMATES WOULD KNOW ALL ABOUT THOSE UNUSUAL ‘DRINKING HABITS’ WHICH WERE AN EVERY DAY OCCURRENCE. ALL IN IT TOGETHER SO TO SPEAK! NO I DO NOT MEAN THE BERTIE BOWL, THAT INCIDENTALLY NEVER MATERIALISED  THANKS TO ‘UMBRIA BOUND’ MARY}.

THE DENOUEMENT OF THE COMMISSION PLAY COULD ALSO BE A RUSE TO GIVE THE NATION THE IMPRESSION THAT ALL HAS BEEN DEALT WITH PROPERLY AS IS UNUTTERABLY ABOVE BOARD. Perhaps…the FATIGUED WEARY gullible public in its understanding, is oblivious to its internal workings and will not question the Chairman DUE TO extreme inertia AT THIS STAGE.

Again, at the Commission it was stated:

At this point, in mid-November, the brothers waived the privilege it was claiming in respect of Carriglea. Their lawyers sent a blank questionnaire to the commission“. Did you ever hear the likes of it, I just have to repeat it, as I am that mesmerised.
A BLANK QUESTIONNAIRE WAS POSTED to the COMMISSION TO INQUIRE INTO CHILD ABUSE. I WONDER WAS JUDGE RYAN MEANT TO PASS JUDGMENT ON THIS, OR WAS IT HOPED THAT NOBODY WOULD NOTICE THAT IT WAS BLANK.? God almighty, has the coffee gone to Maxwells’ solicitors’ head? I AM BLANKING OUT ON THIS STUNT.

Like everything else, did the brothers hope to get away with it?

Commission lawyers wrote back saying that they required completed questionnaires for all the brothers’ industrial schools.
“To agree to meet the Christian Brothers privately, while it might have practical benefits, would expose the Commission to criticism and claims of inconsistency”.
I LIKE THE SENTENCE: WHILE IT MIGHT HAVE PRACTICAL BENEFITS” TO WHOM, I WONDER? THE BROTHERS!

Embrace the slogan: “how do you call it quits on a BLANKETY BLANK character who is still breathing”? – such as: THE BLANKETY BLANK, sleepy head, Judge Sean Ryan!

Of course, the crusaders were losers in the short run, but Europe’s storytellers have traditionally awarded them the righteous victory and have not dwelt on the embarrassing denouement.

Though still only a prospect on the horizon, this, I think, could well be the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse. ONLY VICTORY What a denouement if it is!

The final resolution or clarification of the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse plot is the events following the climax of the outcome of other sequence of events,the end result, a REPORT. Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin.

COMMENT 1
LEGAL PRIVILEGE  as claimed by the black garbs CAN HAVE NO PLACE WHERE THE DETERMINATION OF CAUSE AND EFFECTS ISSUES ARE TANTAMOUNT TO TRUTH BEING ESTABLISHED AS EVIDENCED BY THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT OF THE COMMISSIONS REMIT TO ESTABLISH “WHAT WENT WRONG” in these Institutions “WHAT WENT WRONG” can ONLY be determined by the Ryan Commission BEING IN FULL POSSESSION of all relevant documentation. We see here these religious orders continuing to EXERCISE A POWER THEY SHOULD BE STRIPPED OFF. There can be no place nor exemptions for religious orders who are ON RECORD AS STATING THAT THE RAPING OF A CHILD WAS IN THEIR “EYES” merely a “moral offence”, this in itself must conclude that they can in no way be ARBITRATORS OF WHAT DOES, AND DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A CRIMINAL OFFENCE, OR MORE TO THE POINT, WHAT CONSTITUTES “EVIDENCE” AGAINST THEM  WHICH THESE QUESTIONNAIRES CLEARLY ARE, IT’S TIME THESE BLACK GARBS HAD SOMETHING OF A MORE SUBSTANTIAL NATURE THROWN AT THEM, SUCH AS WILFULLY, AND WITH MALICE AFORETHOUGHT, OBSTRUCTING A LAWFULLY CONSTITUTED COMMISSION. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 2
It’s not like the Christian Brothers to be so obtuse! If they told you to do something you either jumped to it or you got a savage beating, I know that one boy, at least, from Artane, who ended up in hospital after being beaten mercilessly by two Christian Brothers in a crowded and locked dormitory. Perhaps, Judge Ryan should institute proceedings along similar lines to make these fellows jump to it!. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 3

So much for the black garbs “ASSSTING THE COMMISSION”.Perhaps Sean Ryan should call SMILER Reynolds back and ask HIM to RELEASE ALL PAPERS “UNDER PRIVILEGE” CONCERNING THE DEATH OF YOUNG PATSY FLANAGAN? IM SURE SMILER WOULD BE HAPPY TO OBLIGE. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 4
Sister Helena O’ Donoghue should also be called back to the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse to give Judge Ryan the true version of Goldenbridge Industrial School despicable events. This sister should also start walking the Mercy walk and own up. The good sister only came into contact with the main protagonist during the time of the DEAR DAUGHTER documentary in 1995 or thereabouts.  ALSO, THE MAIN PROTAGONIST LEFT GOLDENBRIDGE IN 1963, AND WOULD BE BOUND BY THE MERCY ORDERS’. CONSTITUTION TO OBEDIENCE, OBEDIENCE, OBEDIENCE TO HER SUPERIOR. HER SUPERIOR BEING NONE OTHER THAN THE GOOD SISTER HELENA O’ DONOGHUE. SR FABIAN R.I.P. WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE END OF THE DAY A GOD-SEND TO GOLDENBRIDGE VICTIMS/SURVIVORS OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE. What she had to say reads like something out of an Agatha Christie thriller and it was not meant to be revealed to the Irish public on the other hand had Sr Mary Fabian lived. She ALSO would have been Mercy Order duty bound to keep Mercy Constitution ‘mums-the-word’. How dare Sister Helena, {who never entered the now demolished institution} who sat before the COMMMISION, and blabbered on about the regime that existed IN Goldenbridge when she knows absolutely nothing about it. IT IS INDEED VERY QUESTIONABLE AS TO HOW SHE COLLATED HER INFORMATION. How dare she also undermine THE INTOLERABLE SUFFERING THAT EX- DETAINEES HAD TO ENDURE CLAIMING THAT THE MANUFACTURING OF ROSARY BEADS WAS AN OCCUPATION AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT REALLY WAS = UNCONSTITUTIONAL SLAVE LABOUR. THE MERCY LEGAL TEAM HAD HER WELL DRILLED. Shame on Sister Helena O’ Donoghue, who in my estimation has a lot of WALKING TO DO BEFORE she CATCHES UP WITH HER FOUNDRESS VENERABLE CATHERINE MCAULEY. THE MERCY ORDER FAILED US MISERABLY WITH THE PROVINCIAL LEADERS, THIRD PARTY – GOLDENBRIDGE INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES….. THE SYSTEM, THE SYSTEM, THE SYSTEM, THE SYSTEM  THAT THE SUPERIOR PRATTLED ON ABOUT WAS NOT EXCESSIVELY HARSH FOR THE TIMES THAT WERE IN IT. WHAT A FANTASY SAGA INDEED!  SIGNED BY: PRISONER NUMBER, 155, + 39.
MARIE-THERESE O’LOUGHLIN

COMMENT 5

RE: The Commission to  Inquire into Child Abuse – Carriglea Park,  Recall.
The lack of support for Brother Dapper-Dan Nolan by his fellow Brothers and legal team speaks volumes, this Brother has been hung out to dry because he actually told the truth for once when he informed the Commission in May 2006 that a questionnaire had been sent out to the Christian Brothers who had worked in the Irish gulags to tell of their experiences. The ownership of these questionnaire was claimed by the Christian Brothers, and it was up to them to say if they claimed Legal Privilege or not.
As we can see from the transcript 29-11-2006 the Commission was stone-walled for six months and to add insult to injury a blank copy of the questionnaire was submitted to the Commission. The chairman, Judge Ryan has given them 14 days to furnish this information and for once he has shown that the Christian Brothers that the Commission to Inquire Into Child Abuse is not a toothless Tiger! RISH VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE NOW DOMICILED IN ENGLAND

COMMENT 6
“FOUNDED ON FEAR” IS A BOOK THAT WAS RECENTLY LAUNCHED IN THE NATIONAL LIBRARY OF IRELAND – BY MARY RAFTERY. lT DEPICTS GRAPHICALLY THE HARSH REGIME THAT EXISTED IN LETTERFRACK INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL DURING THE 1920s AND ONWARDS. SADLY, PETER TYRRELL SET HIMSELF ALIGHT ON HAMPSTEAD HEATH, LONDON ENGLAND. PETER NEVER GOT OVER HIS TIME IN THE CRUEL IRISH INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL. IT HAUNTED HIM SO MUCH THAT HE COULD NOT LIVE WITH THE AWFUL MEMORIES.

I CANNOT BRING MYSELF AROUD TO READING THE HARROWING TALE, ONLY SNIPPETS CAN BE PAINFULLY DIGESTED. FROM VARIOUS SOURCES. HE WAS………A PROPHET, INDEED!. SINCERELY HOPE THAT JUDGE RYAN TAKES COGNIZANCE OF THE BOOKS’ CONTENTS.

Peter Tyrrelll, In the book says: “The youngest child to enter Letterfrack was THREE and A HALF years old, this child was not beaten for several months”. That is  A CHILLING STATEMENT leaving NOTHING ELSE to be said about Letterfrack. THAT SAYS IT ALL!.
A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

Comment 7

As a survivor of the Irish Gulags I have been researching the abuses that the children were made to endure, the effect of the abuse visited on them emanating into the rest of their lives and the lives of their parents, spouses / partners, their children / grand children, siblings, friends and their difficulty fitting into the way that society expected of them or the fact that they could not connect to society and for many survivors this indeed was and still is a very serious problem. Many survivors simply got lost in the world and drifted onto the oblivion train of alcohol, drugs in order to escape the pain and the trauma of what happened to them as children in the Irish Gulags. There is a greater need of understanding into this very complex problem and for people to accuse survivors of telling lies in order to enhance their application at the Redress Board is nothing short of a total disgrace, these accusers have no ides as to what it is like for survivors to revisit their experiences in the Irish Gulags and as the accusers have their minds made up about us or as they said in the old western days ” give them a fair trial and then we will hang them” what is the point of trying to get through to them..so lets move on and get the experiences of survivors, their parents, spouses / partners, children, grandchildren and friends out in the public domain for the whole world to see and I hope that I live long enough to finish this research which has the title ” The Door That Never Closes “. It is my intention to hold public meeting in Ireland and the UK for the spouses / partners, sons, daughters, children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, friends and relations of survivors of the Irish Gulags as I strongly believe that their stories and concerns should have a voice as they too are survivors of the fallout of the Irish Gulags……………… A victim/survivor of institutional abuse.

COMMENT 8

I have just finished reading a book on the experiences of a young Jewish girl place in a convent in England again run by nuns called “Rock Me Gently”, A True Story Of A Convent Childhood written by Judith Kelly. The book clearly shows what sort of people these nuns are outside of Ireland and gives great support to survivors in Ireland of the system used by the Catholic Church and their treatment of little innocent children world wide. VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 9

RE: ALLEGEDLY FALSE VICTIMS/SURVIVORS OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

THE FOLLOWING WAS SAID BY A LEGAL ADVISOR WHO ATTENDED A MEETING IN DUBLIN SOME YEARS AGO.
Margaret Jervis, a legal adviser to the British False Memory Society, which aims to raise public awareness of the dangers of using unscientific methods to recover memories of abuse.

“The Irish are great storytellers and many it seems are making extreme allegations,” she said. “The further you go back in years with allegations of abuse, the taller the stories become. Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin.

COMMENT I0
FOUNDED ON FEAR. Peter Tyrrell. The youngest child to enter Letterfrack , was THREE AND A HALF YEARS OLD, this BABY was not BEATEN for several months. Peter Tyrrell. Ends. The high proportion of young children in Letterfrack who died at the age of six and below, is a travesty of justice, and bears testimony to conditions prevailing there.  It is outlined so graphically in Peter Tyrrells book…… BUT WHAT WAS A THREE AND A HALF YEAR OLD BABY DOING IN AN INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL IN THE WILDSCONNEMARA?
A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 11.

Yes indeed, what was an infant doing in a Connemara Industrial School? I WAS INCARCERATED IN GOLDENBRIDGE WHEN JUST UNDER FIVE YEARS OLD. There were other innumerable young children, there during my WHOLE DETENTION. Even younger than the child of three and a half who was wrongfully detained in letterfrack reformatory.
The Judiciary/Religious etc, have a lot to answer for allowing INFANTS to be sentenced before they even reached the age of ‘canonical’ reason.

I HAVE VERY TRAUMATISED MEMORIES OF YOUNG CHILDREN, AS MANY AS TWENTY-WHO HAD NOBODY TO HOLD OR CARE FOR THEM, AND WHO WERE LEFT FOR LONG DURATIONS SITTING/TIED/SLEEPING ON POTS. I CAN ASSURE MR RORY CONNOR AND HIS ILK THAT I DO NOT IMAGINE SUCH. IF THE GENTLEMAN WANTS TO DO A THESIS, AS HE IS SO FOND OF DOING. HE IS WELCOME TO INFORMATION THAT HAS NOT BEEN PRINTED IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. But, it comes with a warning so bring hankerchief. IN POSTING THIS, IT IS NOT TO SAY, THAT ‘SOME’ BABIES/INFANTS WERE NOT CARED FOR THESE ‘FEW INFANTS’, UNFORTUNATELY WERE VERY FEW AND FAR BETWEEN AND WERE THE LUCKY ONES!
AS FOR THE INFANT IN CONNEMARA IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME IF THE TODDLER WAS OF MIXED PARENTAGE, AS A VAST AMOUNT OF THEM – ENDED UP IN CLIFDEN IN GALWAY. ETHNIC CLEANSING OF THE HIGHEST ORDER….

“TO HELL OR CONNAUGHT” SCENARIO SADLY, PREVAILED! To be Black, or Coloured please excuse terminology IN AN INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL WAS A DREADFUL CRIME INDEED.  I HAVE VERY SAD MEMORIES AND VISIONS ON THIS SPECIFIC SUBJECT IN RELATION TO GOLDENBRIDGE To conclude. “Floggings” – in Goldenbridge Industrial School was no respector of age…
Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin

PS:
I WILL CHALLENGE RORY CONNOR ANY TIME, ANYWHERE, ON THE ABOVE, IF HE IS WILLING AND ABLE. HYPOTHESIS RULES? NO, FACTS DO!

RORY, A WEE BIT OF ADVISE: IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT BEFOREHAND YOU GET CONSULTATION FROM YOUR SOLICITOR AS THE PROPENSITY FOR GOING OFF ON A TANGENT IN RELATION TO YOUR GOOD SELF IS WIDELY KNOWN WITHIN ‘ABUSE GROUPS’ CIRCLES. AS WITH ANOTHER HIBERNIAN  ANGEL, I TOO, DO NOT SIT AROUND WHEN RILED. DO YO GET MY DRIFT. WELL, WELL, WELL YOUR FEMALE COUNTERPART CLONE AND I SHARE A NOT TOO DISSIMILAR TEMPERAMENT. SO YOU’D BETTER WATCH  OUT YOU’D BETTER NOT CRY, YOU’D BETTER WATCH OUT I’M TELLING YOU WHY SANTA CLAUS IS COMING TO DUBLIN TOWN TO GIVE RORY A XMAS PRESENT. ONE THAT HE WILL ENJOY. KATHY COME HOME.PLEASE RORY IS NOT GOING TO TORTURE YOU ANY MORE HE IS GIVING UP WITCHHUNTING AS A NEW YEARS RESOLUTION..VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 12

There is a Definitive “Blanking out” of REAL evidence by the Sisters of Mercy, Rosminians, the Chrsitian Brothers, Sisters of Charity, and other relgious orders that gave evidence (what evidence!) before the Child abuse commission. Each question was met by another question, but as yet, no answers!. Therefore, why did Judge Sean Ryan decide to “Change the format and procedures” of the Commission i.e, (Cherry picking) and what the religious could, or could not discover?. Why did Judge Sean Ryan allow the orders (OFF) and fobbed off the abused?….why did Judge Ryan allow Colm O’ Gorman to “make a speech” before him, while refusing to allow the “ex- detainees” to have their say….publicly?….there is, as I stated so many “questions and whys?” No one, ( Judge Ryan included) can grasp what is actually going on. However, the religious and the State, (the ulitmate colluders of such documented abuses had already decided to “withhold” the real evidence, because the religious “attacks” will only become known through those prepared to take the Religious and the State on in the courts. A victim/Survivor of institutional abuse.

COMMENT: 13

Village Magazine: Letters to the editor Thursday, November 23, 2006
Irish Child Prisoners must be given a Voice.
The delinquent state that oppressed Irish children in institutional care is alive and well and is still denying justice to its former child victims. During his lifetime, one such victim, Peter Tyrrell, could not get justice in Ireland. He couldn’t even get a hearing of his complaints. He took his life in despair after being betrayed by Ireland’s bleeding-heart do-gooders in whom he had misplaced his trust.

Now that Peter has been safely dead nearly 40 years, Ireland’s parasitic do-gooders are cashing in on his suffering. Peter’s dreadful experiences can now be romanticised by Establishment Ireland and woven into Sean Ryan’s myth of Ireland’s “residential schools” and “child care system”. The hypocrisy is nauseating.

Meanwhile, the living victims of Ireland’s gulag (including myself) are being silenced by the state, the media and the do-gooders. It is just like the old times. A fraudulent and secret inquiry (the Ryan Commission on Child Abuse) and a secret hush-money court (the so-called Redress Board) are busily engaged in re-writing history.

If there is one thing worse than being oppressed, it is having one’s history written by one’s oppressors. For the sake of Ireland’s children – past, present and future – that reprehensible project must not be allowed to succeed. Ireland’s theocratic ruling elite is a prisoner of its history but it would do well to heed Santiana’s warning that those who don’t learn from their history are doomed to repeat it. An independent inquiry must be established to investigate the Irish gulag.

The former child prisoners could not get a public hearing at the Ryan commission. The tiny, unrepresentative handful of survivors that was selected for a hearing by the inquiry was heard behind closed doors. They were deemed unfit to be seen or heard by “respectable” Ireland – exactly as they were treated by the corrupt judges who illegally imprisoned them in childhood. Meanwhile, the commission gave everyone else a public platform from which to disseminate their misinformed opinions on the child prisoners.

Everyone, from Taoiseach Bertie Ahern to government minions to gulag jailors were given a chance to speak, everyone except the gulag victims. Even the likes of Colm O’Gorman (PD parliamentary candidate), who never set foot in a child prison, was given a public platform by Sean Ryan, the commission’s chairman.

Ireland is not ready to listen to those whose lives it wilfully wrecked in the industrial reformatories. We, the former gulag children, will never get justice in Ireland. Our history will have to be published abroad. Perhaps in another 40 years, when we are all safely dead, we will suffer the same posthumous fate in Ireland as Peter Tyrrell.

Jim Beresford, Former Artane child prisoner, Huddersfield, West Yorkshire Email Jim Beresford

Sorrowful mysteries etched into bleeding fingers, by FINTAN O’TOOLE
The Irish Times – Friday, March 01, 1996

STRANGELY enough, of all the images in Louis Lentin’s superb documentary film on Goldenbridge orphanage, the most disturbing for me was not one of the violent ones – a child deliberately scalded with boiling water or beaten with a club until her whole leg from ankle to hip burst open. We see so much brutality on the screen that most of us, I suppose, have learned how to shield ourselves from it.

The really searing image was more mundane and less dramatic. It was the group of middle aged women sitting at their desks in the classroom, re enacting the endless hours they spent from the age of four onwards making rosary beads. It was terrible because, after 30 years, they could still do it apparently without having to think. They could look into the camera and talk powerfully and coherently, and all the while their hands were working away on their own, the wire strung over one forefinger, a kind of pliers held in the palm, the beads in the other hand.

They had to do 60 lots a day after school, stringing together 600 beads, 60 decades of the rosary uttered not with the lips or in the head but in the flesh and bone of raw, trembling fingers. The prayer’s sorrowful mysteries and ascendant sighs, the mourning and weeping in this valley of tears, were, literally, etched into these women’s bodies. The wire wore a groove into the top of the finger, so that it sat in an open wound while the children strung it with beads. Sometimes pieces of glass from the beads splintered off into a child’s eye. Even now, decades later, if you looked closely at the woman’s hand while she spoke and worked, you could see that the inside of her thumb still had the mark of those countless hours of cruel drudgery.

THESE images are much more than memorable – they invade the memory. They change forever and for the worse all sorts of memories that seemed stable and comfortable. I remember the feel of the rosary beads in my mother’s gloved hand as I held it on the way to Mass. I remember the white, shiny rosary beads that I got for my first communion. I remember the dull black ones that my great grandmother had wrapped around her joined hands on her death bed. I remember my grandfather’s tan coloured beads as he knelt by his bed every night.

And now I have to remember that some of those beads, those symbols of order and goodness, were probably placed by fearful little fingers on pieces of wire resting in the open wounds of children.

This, maybe, is the important thing about the current revelations of abuse in Goldenbridge and St Kyran’s in the 1950s and 1960s. They affect not just the women who still bear the physical and mental marks, but the whole way in which this society remembers itself. They show us, again, that we do not yet have a stable point of reference even in the very recent past from which to judge where, and who, we are.

One week we are watching on our television screens images of Chinese orphanages. We see small children left in the care of slightly larger ones. We see babies strapped to potties, left to fall over and lie in their own dirt. We watch little ones who have forgotten how to smile, staring into space, rocking back and forth. We rage at the kind of savage neglect that seems possible only in a totalitarian society. We long to take those poor kids from their barbaric world into our civilised one. We call the Chinese ambassador into our parliament to explain herself and her shameful country, knowing for sure that we come from something better.

And then, within weeks, we are shown exactly the same images in our own orphanages, only projected back 35 years. And we don’t really have the comfort of looking at the big picture of a nasty looking nun on the front of a tabloid paper and knowing that it is all really just about her. Of course individuals are responsible for their actions. And of course the religious institutions which allowed it to continue has a lot to apologise for. But there is much more to it than that.

Growing up in working class Dublin in the 1960s, there were certain words that carried a dark meaning all of their own – Artane and Letterfrack. One of the things you knew so well that you could never remember actually being told it was that if you were bad you would be sent to one or the other. You knew that they were places for two kinds off kids – bad ones and orphans. And you did not know that there was any real distinction between these two categories. For all practical purposes, there was no real difference between being bad and being an orphan.

IT WAS not accidental, therefore, that the orphanages should be terrible places. One of their functions was to tidy away, out of sight and mind, the human refuse of respectable society. But the other was to act as a deterrent against bad behaviour. Women who were bad would have their babies sent there. Youngsters who were bad would be sent there themselves. The places were cruel not just because there was a nasty nun or even a nasty church, but because part of their job was to be cruel. They were the earthly hell with which we were threatened.

And threats don’t really work unless you know in some unclear but unmistakable way, that what you are being threatened with is pretty horrible. If places like Goldenbridge and Artane, Letterfrack and St Kyran’s had been full of happiness and ease, the perverted logic of the kind of society we are struggling to emerge from would have seen them as an incentive to moral laxity and delinquent behaviour.

That logic was kept in its place not by one bad nun with a big stick but by an awful lot of fools and hypocrites in dog collars and suits. And it was overturned slowly and with enormous effort by men and women working against the odds for political and social change.

These days, with so many battles won, it is easy to indulge in nostalgia for the old certainties and to forget that what was most certain about them was their naked cruelty. It is easy to indulge in liberal self laceration, wondering whether we haven’t thrown out the baby with the bathwater. It is easy to be too forgiving of the ignorance, corruption, and viciousness that were so pervasive as to be virtually invisible. But to give in to any of those temptations is to betray the courage, resilience and life giving anger of those whose pain was strung on bits of wire to count out such shameful decades

COMMENT: 14

Russian Proverbs WITH A  RORY knotted TWIST.

“A net will catch more than a pole” even rotten fish with rotten heads.
A priest’s belly is made up of several sheepskins, a seminarians’ is made up of cowskin!

“All ages are submissive to love”SUBSERVIENT TO LOVE! Hmm!

“An argument is fine only when there is to be a fight” to be won!

“Don’t drive a Binya into the woods if he has found his way to your house”as inevitably both of you might get lost. Not seeing the the woods for the trees  is invariably synonymous with Hibernian Angels in general. The impatient Binya won’t shoulder your alter ego characteristics of which there are many Enlightenment awaits you if you nicely show him in to your house.

“Don’t raise your stick and the dog won’t bark at you”as Rotweiler, Pavlov, is prone to more than barking if the stick is repetitively raised too high INDEED Baying for blood, is ordinarily, something he has the propensity for, provivding, that is, if he is very riled!

“Eat what is cooked, listen to what is said””Even honour is not an honour, if there is nothing to eat”.
oh, what one would have done for Goldenbridge scraps even from a sieve if one was hungry. Listen, listener do you get my drift

“For him who does not believe in signs, there is no way to live in the world” Witchunter, you are out of season, so be off with you!

“He can cheat a fish of its skin”but he cannot cheat him of his rotten head!

“He took the devil’s mat, but he’ll pay back with his skin”Yes, his cowskin! it is only a matter of time.

“His word is as good as a tied RORY knot”the convoluting opstreperous, pathological liar is always in a twist.

“If the pocket is empty, the judge is deaf”empty pockets belong to empty twisted knotted Russianesque heads. It is also well known that empty vessels make most noise. But, then again, if the judge is deaf, is it not logical that all will go on deaf ears? Ha, ha!. There is nothing like a wee bit of IRISH HUMOUR WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH. Have a ‘Ryan’ on me – Rory, Buchailli!. So much for the Russian Intelligentsia! Tell me, did you find them under the bed last time you looked? You know, you might just want to let them escort you around while you do more night – time study in ‘History’ as a mere bloody BA wont get you very far. You’ll purely and surely be history yourself with such low qualifications. Beating victims/survivors of institutional abuse with assumed HISTORY knowledge is not in the least impressionistic. WE COULD TEACH YOU HISTORY, THAT WONT BE LEARNED AT NIGHT SCHOOL. BUT YOU REFUSE TO HEAR US WHEN WE HAVE GIVEN YOU THE OPPORTUNITY YOU WOULD PREFERABLY GO TO SCHOOL TO LEARN IT SECOND-HAND. THE PROPHETS ARE AMONGST YOU BUT YOU ARE SO BLOODY IGNORANT THAT YOU CANNOT, {AS WAS INTIMATED BEFORE} SEE THE WOODS FOR THE TREES. SO HOP ALONG – BE OFF WITH YOURSELF, THE INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE VICTIMS/SURVIVORS ARE AT LONG LAST GOING TO STAND UP TO THE LIKES YOU. DEAL WITH YOUR OWN PROBLEMS INSTEAD OF HANGING OUT OF US TRYING TO MAKE A NAME FOR YOURSELF.

“If you don’t deceive, you can’t sell”‘novel’ ideas – irrespective of their credibility. Am I right, or, am I – extremely right! Loose words are picked up like gold coins!.

“No one knows how the poor man dines”only the poor man himself!

“Not everything is a mermaid that dives into the water, is that so? What then is it – if it is not a mermaid, is it a mere man with water on the brain, I wonder?

“One man in a field is not a warrior”he is instead…a man outstanding in a field that does not belong to him. If he is not careful he wIll be cornered….by his own comrades. An solationist crank is albeit very vulnerable.

“Peace lasts till the army comes, and the army lasts till peace comes”the army of ‘ants’ are beginning to crawl on you, and you will get no peace whatsoever – with all the scratching they bring.Peace perfect peace awaits you, the choice is yours.

“Smooth hands love the labour of others”yes, smooth religious ones at that.

“The horse loves oats; the earth, manure; and the governor, tribute”. and victims/survivors of institutional abuse, the truth yes, LOVE, the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Roll on judgment day.

“There’s no harm in wine, it’s drunkenness that is at fault”and the demeanour of those that cannot hold the plonk, who invariably, unashamedly then spew out by the mouthful outrageous untruths, nnuendos, and cock and bulll stories, and the like

“To every high mountain, there is a higher one” it  was intimated  that you had reached the peak? Something drastically occurred for you to have ‘fallen’ so low.

“Until you have smoked out the bees, you can’t eat the honey”. so you can’t do everything at once until you recover properly from that dreadful ‘fall’. from grace. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

I am partial to poetry.
Russian Poem.

Especially for
THE INTELLECTUALLY ELITE OF SOCIETY
WHO ARE HIDING IN
UNSHELTERED, AND DRAUGHTY GAPING HOLES.
SSSSHHHHUUUUSSSSHHHHCCCCHHHHEEEESSS
SEEEEMMMMYYYYFFFFRRRRIIIIEEEEDDDD
Hush You Mice
Hush you mice! a cat is near us,
He can see us, he can hear us…
–What if he is on a diet?–
Even then you should be quiet!

“Mice are dancing in a round,
On a bench a cat is sleeping.
Hush, you mice, don’t make such noise
Or you’ll wake up Vaska* Cat
Vaska Cat will jump and leap
And will spoil and break your round”.
*Vaska is a Russian Cat.

A Russian Gypsy.

There was a gypsy
who had a long nose,
She was asking how
to shorten her nose.
She was advised
to buy some Vaseline,
Put it on her nose
and then…………
Cut it with an axe!

Many thanks!

Bolshoe spasibo!
Sleep-sleep-sleep
Don’t lie close to the bed side
Otherwise a grey wolf will come
And bite you

The dust flies through the field because of the pounding of the horses’ hoofs?

Huts-ka, Huts-ka Naya Huts-ka” “Tiptoe through the strawberry fields!”

COMMENT I

RE: GOLDENBRIDGE INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL – ARTICE ABOVE.

The ABOVE disgusting piece of work gives an indication of the state of mind of a society that would go on to convict Nora Wall on false charges of raping a child. I have previously quoted the Russian proverb about the intelligentsia “A fish rots from the head”. The following is a prime example of the process.

Regards. Rory Connor

COMMENT 2.

Firstly, How dare the decrepit sounding ex -seminarian author of above make a mockery of the state of mind of Irish society. To even begin to equate the suffering of Christine Buckley with that of the ‘passion’ of an ex- nun is grossly absurd. What sociological standing does this yoke have in life – that gives him authority to make judgments on this nation. AND SURVIVORS, SUCH AS CHRISTINE BUCKLEY?

ARE THE RUSSIANS UNDER THE BED OF THIS NOT SO INTELLIGENT MAN? KEEPING THEIR INTELLIGENT RUSSIAN EYES ON HIM…. AND IN THE PROCESS TELLING THE INTELLIGENTSIA WITHIN HIS HEAD TO HAUNT THOSE THAT WERE IN INSTITUTIONS IN THE PAST?. Get real man!

PS:
Can THE MODERATOR OF A GOVERNMENT FUNDED WEBSITE refrain, from giving non – institutional survivors of abuse too much freedom on site. It was not set up for the purposes of them, but instead, for those of whom were incarcerated IN INDUSTRIAL SCHOOLS.

I AM ASKING  NICELY, AS SURVIVORS ARE VERY TRAUMATISED WITH EX – SEMINARIANS AND OTHERS SUCH AS MR CONNOR WHO CONSTANTLY TRY TO BROW-BEAT AND HARANGUE THEM. HEALING WILL NEVER TAKE PLACE WHILE THE MODERATOR IN QUESTION CONTINUES TO ENTERTAIN PRETENDERS AND FEED INTO THEIR LUNATIC WAYS.

I wonder, is the Dept of Education AWARE OF THE ANTICS OF MR CONNOR AND HIS KIND?

There is a Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse and it will decide matters pertaining to Goldenbridge Industrial School Inchicore Dublin.
In the meantime, if Mr Rory Connor continues through the medium of the site, which is partially funded by the Irish government to tantalise a woman who twice, has had cancer. and has been extremely ill victims will be left with no option but to take serious action.
A very annoyed victim/survivor of institutional abuse

ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ACHTUNG! ACHTUNG BABY!
Complaint made by  Mr. Rory Connor  Ref. No. 123/06. Re Radio 1 Tonight with Vincent Browne 2 May 2006. Complaint Summary:

Mr. Connor’s complaint, submitted under Sections 24(2)(b)(law & order) and (a)(impartiality) concerns a broadcast of the ‘Tonight with Vincent Browne’ programme. In the programme on May 2, the complainant asserts that three of the contributors to the programme, had made previous false allegations against the Christian Brothers. The complainant submits that once they were invited on the programme, the presenter had an obligation to quiz them about their previous allegations and their attitude to the Catholic Church. He further submits that this programme on Daingean was vile; the presenter used witnesses who are grossly prejudiced; he made no attempt to test the credibility of their present or past claims and no attempt to bring out the other side of the story. To falsely accuse someone of child abuse is bound to create hatred and Browne’s guests were peddling hatred of the Catholic Church, which is specifically in breach of the Prevention of Incitement to Hatred Act. Accordingly, he requests the Commission to find RTÉ are not only in breach of their obligations regarding objectivity, impartiality and fairness, but also in their duty in relation to law and order (specifically the Prevention of Incitement to Hatred Act) Station’s Response: RTE state that the programme that has led to this complaint was devoted in its entirety to descriptions of life in Daingean Reformatory before it was shut down in the 1970s. The programme opened with a lengthy description by the writer Mannix Flynn of the physical punishment he received as an inmate in Daingean in the 1960s. The next interviewee was Hugh Connolly who had been a trainee in Daingean in 1957-58. He also gave an eye-witness account of savage beatings he saw during his period in Daingean. The next contributor to the programme was Mary Raferty, a writer and television producer. The final part of the programme was a recorded piece with John Kelly, another former inmate of Daingean who recounted his experiences in Daingean during two years he spent there in the 1960s…………………………. It is RTE’s view that the programme was an accurate and factual account by reliable witnesses and researchers into events that took place in Daingean in the 1960s. RTE has no reason to doubt the truth of what the contributors to the programme stated about the conditions in Daingean. The broadcaster asserts that there was no breach of law and order requirements broadcast in the programme. They also assert that the programme was impartial and fair. It is RTE”s view that the programme presenter invited onto the programme a number of witnesses and asked them to recount their first hand experiences. He did this in an impartial and objective way. The events described in the programme elicited an emotional response from the programme presenter. In the circumstances of the cruelties described this is not surprising and is not an indication of partiality. RTE’s would argue that in their own small way the programme has contributed to the establishment of truth and the acknowledgement that former inmates of institutions such as Daingean are entitled to be able to tell their own stories and that Irish society must listen to them and acknowledge the truth of what happened. Decision of the Commission: The Commission has considered the broadcast, the submissions made by the complainant and the broadcaster. The programme discussed what life was like in the former Reformatory School, Daingean. The panellists on the programme included two men who had been sent there as boys in the 60s and 70s; a man who had been a trainee in Daingean in the late 50’s; and a journalist who researches and writes about such issues. The journalist informed the listeners that government records show that abuse took place in Daingean. The Commission would acknowledge that this is accepted as fact. At the outset of the broadcast, the listener was aware that three of the panel members would recount their experiences. The accounts were from their perspectives, as they experienced and remembered. The presenter allowed them tell their stories. Such subject matter is of great public interest and its inclusion in a programme is a legitimate editorial decision. The issue of abuse is an emotive one, which was dealt with in this programme in a grave and responsible manner. The accounts given of life in Daingean were harrowing and shocking. However, they were the true-life experiences of the men, part of their life stories. Freedom of speech is an important right and one which applies to all citizens. Also, editorial responsibility as to who participates in a programme is that of the broadcasters. What is of importance to the Commission is that the interviews were conducted in a fair manner. The Commission was of the opinion that this discussion legitimately explored the true-life subjective experiences of two inmates and a trainee of the former Reformatory School, Daingean. The presenter facilitated an informative and fair discussion. The tone was at all times respectful. He asked questions to elicit information on their lives in an impartial manner. At no stage in the broadcast was hatred against the Church advocated. This complaint was rejected with reference to Sections 24(2)(b)(law & order) and (a)(impartiality) of the Broadcasting Act, 2001

COMMENT 1

On the Vincent Browne show of 2nd May this year, a contributor being Mr Hugh Connolly, a former trainee priest in Daingean in 1957-1958, and now a practising Barrister in London.  Mr Connolly, vividly described the beastiality of Daingean, and the ATROCITIES he witnessed while training there.  The PAEDOPHILIA, THE STARVATION, THE FORCED LABOUR, THE BRUTALITY, THE PEER ABUSE, THE LACK OF EDUCATION, THE IMBECILIC AND MENTALLY DERANGED HIERARCHY WHICH EXISTED THERE, INCAPALE OF CONTROL, ALLOWING THE PLACE TO BECOME A DEN OF INEQUITY, RAPE, BUGGERY, FORCED ORAL RAPE, VOYUEURISM, being just a FEW of the things which were the STAPLE DAILY DIET OF DAINGEAN. Was Mr Hugh Connolly sent a “QUESTIONNAIRE” by the ARCHIVIST for Daingean, Father Michael Hughes? Was Mr Hugh Connolly “INTERVIEWED” by Father Michael Hughes, the oblates “ARCHIVIST”, and IF NOT, WHY NOT?  Mr Connolly is a LIVING HISTORICAL ENCYCLOPEDIA OF DAINGEAN, and NO DOUBT a man who would have BEEN OF GREAT SIGNIFICANCE to the Ryan Commission. WAS HE CALLED AS A WITNESS? As Rory Connor is ON RECORD through his “complaint to RTE”, is Rory Connor by IMPLICATION calling MR Hugh Connolly A LIAR, A CRIMINAL AND A THUG? Any comments Mr Connor, or will you do the
“religious thing” AND JUST BLEEDIN` HIDE FROM A VERY RIGHTEOUS ANGRY VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 2

Father Hugh Connolly, now a practising Lawyer in London was once a trainee priest in DAINGEAN, 1957-1958, what he witnessed in Daingean, WHIPPINGS, SEVERE PHYSICAL VIOLENCE, THE UNCONTROLLABLE TEMPERS OF THE MENTALLY ABERRANT STAFF THERE, PAEDOPHILIA, BOYS BEING TAKEN INTO THE OMLETTES ROOMS, led Mr Hugh Connolly to remark on THE VINCENT BROWNE SHOW, THAT “DACHAU”, WAS NO DIFFERENT FROM DAINGEAN.  A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.
COMMENT 3
My name is Kathleen O’Malley author “Childhood Interrupted” and I would like to offer my support . I am not a member of the ‘Right of Place’  A VICTIMS/SURVIVORS OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE GROUP, however I share the same frustration as everyone. I have tried over the years to expose this cover up and continued ABUSE. Bertie Ahern should be ashamed of himself for his lack of Justice and for covering up for the religious. I recently spoke on the ‘Joe Duffy Show’ about the Commission. I have waited six years to go before the “Investigative Commission” now to learn I have wasted my time and that Mount Carmel Industrial School Moate, Co Westmeath. will not be Investigated along with many other Girls schools. This is a gross ” TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE” Should you require to use my name to add to a PETITION go ahead. I wish you every success . Signed: A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE. Kathleen O’Malley.
COMMENT: 4

Kathleen, I utterly empathise with you regarding all – pertaining to industrial school abuse and share the exact same frustration. Thank you for telling the world about it through your well-written book CHILDHOOD INTERRUPTED. IT IS VERY POPULAR WITH ALL AND SUNDRY HERE IN IRELAND. I hope that you have continued success with it throughout GB/USA, which are both lucrative markets, for the sheer size of both countries. Bertie’s father was given employment by the religious, him being a Cork man living up in Dublin. As with ‘pain’ the legacy of it is albeit thriving, likewise, too, with Bertie the indebtedness to the church also lives on. Yes, I did not personally listen to LIVELINE, Joe Duffy’s daily afternoon show on Radio Eireann. But. I DID HEAR THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE THAT YOU SPOKE VERY ELOQUENTLY ABOUT VARIOUS ASPECTS OF LIFE IN YOUR RESPECTIVE INSTITUTIONS AND THE AFTERMATH OF THE HARSH REGIME THAT PREVAILED, ETC.
I, HAVE ALSO WAITED SIX YEARS TO TELL MY STORY ABOUT THE NEGLECT AND ABUSE THAT OCCURRED TO ME AT THE MOTHER AND BABY HOME, NAMELY: THE MATER DEI, MOTHER AND BABY UNIT, REGINA COELI, NORTH BRUNSWICK STREET DUBLIN, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS MORNING STAR, DUE TO THE NAME OF THE AVENUE IT IS SITUATED ON. LIKE YOURSELF KATHLEEN, I WAS DEVASTATED TO LEARN THAT IT WAS NOT GOING TO GET ‘A LOOK IN’. I WAS LIKE A TIME-BOMB WAITING TO GO OFF, AS THE COMMISSION TO INQUIRE INTO CHILD ABUSE DID NOT EVEN HAVE THE DECENCY TO OFFICIALLY  – LET ME DOWN,. IT HAS DONE THIS REPEATEDLY TO COUNTLESS VICTIMS/SURVIVORS.  IT TAKES THE EASY WAY OUT BY ITS IN-ACTION. I AM STILL TO THIS DAY THOROUGHLY DISGUSTED WITH THE COMMISSION WITH THE WAY IT CHERRYPICKED THE INSTITUTIONS. THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN CALLED THE RYAN COMMISSION, BY THIS IS MEANT THAT IT IS OWNED BY JUDGE RYAN WHO HAS CHANGED CIRCUMSTANCES TO SUIT THE CHOSEN FEW……..THE MAJORITY OF VICTIMS/SURVIVORS, ARE ONLY AN AFTERTHOUGHT, AN ADJUNCT, YOU MUST BE FEELING ALSO A LOT OF HURT AND FRUSTRATION AT BEING TOLD THAT MOUNT CARMEL WAS NOT GOING TO BE INVESTIGATED. The government has only touched the surface IN RELATION  TO CLEANING UP ITS ACT OF DERELECTION OF DUTY TO THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE OF IRISH SOCIETY OF THE PAST. IT HAS OPENED UP A CAN OF WORMS AND THERE ARE VICTIMS OUT THERE FESTERING AT THE DAMAGE THE WORMS HAVE CAUSED. PUSHING CHILD ABUSE UNDER THE CARPET AND PRETENDIND IT DID NOT HAPPEN  IN THE LONG RUN WILL NOT DO THE COUNTRY ANY GOOD. MARIE – THERESE O’ LOUGHLIN.

COMMENT 5

FOUNDED ON FEAR.  PETER TYRRELL. The youngest child to enter LETTERFRACK was THREE AND A HALF YEARS OF AGE, this child WAS NOT BEATEN FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. Peter Tyrrell. Ends. Mr “NO WHEELS ON MY WAGON”, Rory Connor STILL keeps the public in “anticipation” in regard to his remark of some weeks ago, that he, the venerable Rory is COMPILING A SUBMISSIVE REBUTTAL to Peter Tyrrell’s book. We await the “battle royal” between the “holder” of a Ba ,((bolloks -all) in History, as he sets out to embark in blunt engagement to the eminent personage of Diarmuid Whelan, a “salvia” laden dripping “possible encounter”, but unfortunately due to the mental incapacitation of the good Rory, the “encounter” WILL NEVER HAPPEN. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.
COMMENT 6
Those who collate information in the form of paperwork for the Religious Orders are known as “White Researchers” and three doing so have been uncovered. When is a civil servant, called Tom, not a civil servant?……………….. Once a Dela Silly-always a Dela Silly, is that not right Rory? “The one who walked away”. Rory has been to London but not to see the Queen. He has been investigating Peter Tyrrell’s horror story and is trying to punch holes in it for the Christian Brothers. It now appears that Rory Connor, ex – semenarian,……….oops, I mean seminarian, while acting on behalf of Religious Orders (has ALLEGEDLY told people) has been asking for the names of people who knew Peter Tyrell well, as they apparently drank with him in a Pub in Highbury Barn during the late 50’s and early 60’s.  Rory, you should have got the name of the Church right, it is: “Joan of Arc” – not: “Saint Joan’s”…TUT!…TUT!..TUT! – AND YOU A GOOD CATHOLIC. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

Last edited by Marie-Therese O’ loughlin (2006-12-16 17:07:10)

 #84 2006-12-02 00:35:33 catherinesara
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Nothing new at all here. As Monica Roa said recently about Judges wearing their Catholic glasses while working. The vast population are still afraid of the Church.It is so deeply ingrained that they know no different other than FEAR.I asked the question about Opus Dei membership of some in the Dept of Justice and the Health Boards myself.It is only a few short years that I was threatened with having my children snatched because I associated with non catholics.I had written evidence from the court proceedings that we were forbidden by order of the court to associate with non Irish and non catholics.If I did not comply my children were to be given Electric Shock Treatment.No, you will never hear about it because I was gagged due to so called in camera rule.The Government Dept still do the work for the old boys club-the Patriarchial system.
It stinks to high Heaven.!!!!!

All it takes for evil to succeed is that good people do nothing.!!!

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