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2006-12-06 22:52:24 Setanta

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Statement 10 = Lies and false allegations of child abuse made by children  from St. Joseph’s orphanage, Kilkenny City, Ireland.

Marie -Therese O’ Loughlin,
I wish to compliment you on your excellent research, and up-front reporting. I believe that your writings have attracted thousands of viewers from all over the world.

You suffer from a vile avoidance, from very cunning, and crooked politicians, barristers, solicitors, professional people, and the Catholic Church.

And I, a falsely accused person, suffer from the same elusive people, who collude together, and deny me my basic Constitutional, National and International  Right to defend myself against what has been said against me.

Regards Setanta.

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#89 2006-12-07 16:22:05 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin
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Shalom. Shalom to the Salem Witch-hunters.

Ladies Gentlemen and Scholars. I said that the second half of 1999 was the time when this country succumbed completely to child abuse hysteria and I gave a number of examples – including allegations of child killing by the Christian Brothers at times when no boy died of any cause. (Medieval Jew baiters showed slightly more respect for the intelligence of their audience.) I forgot to include the publication of John Cooney’s “John Charles McQuaid, Ruler of Catholic Ireland” in my list of lunacies. This was also published in November 1999 and Cooney used allegations of paedophilia against the Archbishop to advertise his novel (sorry biography). I note that a number of you immediately recognised that Cooney’s allegations were totally lacking in credibility. I regret that you drew no general conclusions from this fact but seemed to treat the issue as a minor blemish in an otherwise admirable work. Do you expect that future historians will endorse this judgement?I have only a BA in history gained at night university but I am prepared to bet a very large sum of money that they won’t. Will anybody take me on? A second point. Many of the allegations made by Mary Raftery, Louis Lentin, John Cooney, Christine Buckley, Patrick Walsh (of SOCA Ireland), Gerry Kelly (founder of Alliance) etc. are demonstrably false. Is it conceivable that the CREATORS of our child abuse industry are liars and frauds but that their cause is still valid? Regards. Rory Connor 11 Lohunda Grove Dublin 15 Ends.

A BA in history Rory, that explains a lot, in particular your consumptious indulgence in your nacissistic adoration of self as an “individual” who is making a particular contribution to the world, or perhaps expressing a “special wisdom”, sensitivity or even committment in life. Being an “ardent adherent” in recent years to your “dialogue” , it certainly furthers my interest to deepen the connection to “sources of the past” in “personal terms”, while simultaneously enabling a degree of understanding to decry “history”, in socio-pathological terms ensuing as a result of tyranny and oppression imposed upon a Nation, masked and “dressed up” as something called “religion”, a subject VERY CLOSE to your good self, as evinced and evidenced by your misguided and rather featherweight disseminations of “subjects” you tackle, but are in yourself devoid of understanding. On the basis that you are bereft of REASON and LOGIC, which you have so tragically enounciated in your love of ambiguity, the “””tool””” of the miscreant “dont know brigade” , I am presented with no great task in revealing your love of religios “defence”overriding REASONING and LOGIC which unfortunately will display that a BA in history, is NOT the requisite “tool” for the “subjects” you pursue and furthermore, indulge yourself as a “humanitarian campaigner” in such pursuit. Concerned primarily with the personal aspects of your own life, you have dealt mainly with what has been subjective to your individual existence, the persons of which you have been more intimately involved, and the “impact” of particular events upon your own life. As you publicly declare, you forsook the love of parental care and transfered your “emotional development” to a “religious order”, where in your own words, your “mentors”, a Father Sweetman, and a Father Kirk, BECAME MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR PARENTS. Without wishing to “confuse”” you Rory, ((and that’s quite simple) many questions present themselves here of why a young man should abandon his Parents for something as yet, HE DIDN’T UNDERSTAND? But to be bluntly fair, each and every one of us in our own way , draws upon history, traditions,the world of nature, the realm of the spirit, the arts, and many other transpersonal resources for the experiences and possible potential within us. Having gained a BA in History, Rory, you will be aware that the sources as described above can lead to inner personal conflict and in themselves can become a “problem” where matters of faith and belief are concerned. It’s within the above Rory, from whence YOUR problems spring, as in “GIVING” yourself to a “religious” brainwashing order, while still in the development stages of your formative years,you in effect forsook reality for the unproven dogmatic principles of an organisation whose main tenet of existence was to subjugate the unwary and unsuspecting “seedlings” as perambulating “orators” of “christian values”,  which HISTORY has now shown as nothing more than A BUNCH, of LIARS, CRIMINALS AND THUGS, whose remit consisted of global thuggery in the most heinous PURSUIT of all, THE RAPING, BUGGERING and SODOMISING OF YOUNG DEFENCLESS CHILDREN. The connective experience of your self to the continuing defence of these LIARS, CRIMINALS and THUGS, and their penchant for indulgence in CLERICAL SEXUAL TERRORISM creates the need for some further questions, not least the fact that UP TO DATE despite your rantings and lunacies, you have yet to PRODUCE ONE SHARD OF EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY? Assembling your own SPIRITUAL HISTORY does NOT constitute a “defence” Rory, far from it, it raises further the issue of your continual involvement to defend he indefensible , and such tacit delusional “offerings” you give, unfortunately fall within the realm of “mental affliction” to disregard in total THE CONTEXTUAL, PHYSICAL and DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE NOW IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN , and wholly CONDEMNATORY of the THUGS, CRIMINALS and LIARS you so robustly associate yourself with, which merely further underlines your inability to not only face REALITY, but in total to STUDIOUSLY IGNORE IT, this Rory, is the world of the MADMAN, and any PUBLIC EXAMINATION to date in relation to your “crusade” in recent years, would only leave a “Judiciously”convened PSYCHIATRIC PANEL,  not to adjuducate on your “mental” well being, but merely to adduce WHICH INSTITUTION YOU SHOULD BE COMMITTED TO:
THE RAPING OF A CHILD, I, – RORY, A SERIOUS CRIMINAL OFFENCE, and what sets US apart from you is WE recognise it as such, but EX CHRISTIAN BROTHERS SUCH AS YOURSELF, VIEW THE RAPING OF A CHILD AS “MORAL FAILURE”I insert the above Rory, purely as a reasonable step in consolidating the unambivalent fact that BRAINWASHING, in your case IS ALIVE AND WELL, though perhaps that’s what we have Psychiatrists for, and Rory being intellectually challenged is not something to be ashamed of, after all, it really wasn’t YOUR fault, but that of your “religious mentors” I must confess to gleefully amusing myself with the fact that your continuing aversion to Mr John Cooney’s TRUTHFUL biography of “MR SPIKE IT”, your archbishop Mc Quaid, still sticks in your craw. Rory. hopefully the cornflakes will also stick in your craw when events DETAILING Mr SPIKE IT Archbishop,  which will in DUE COURSE BECOME PUBLIC, no doubt giving rise to further angst in your small world. I would dearly enjoy a “jousting bout “with your maligned perspectives of WHAT exactly constitutes a CRIMINAL, LIAR and THUG, as its a tag you appear to have IMPOSED ON ANYBODY WHO PRESENTLY INVOKES YOUR WRATH BY NOT “SUCCUMBING” TO YOUR PERCEIVED IDEALS of perhaps a “””FEW”” ABUSES OCCURED IN THE CHILD BROTHELS OF IRELAND ,BUT “NOTHING” IN WHICH IN YOUR “ESTIMATION” THAT A “WITCHUNT” SHOULD ENSUE? WE BEG TO DIFFER. But skirting the peripherals of Philosphy with yourself would be a NO-NO for me Rory, quite frankly, you don’t have the “tools” for such debate. You may be more gainfully employed Rory in fortifying your notion that any unnotional increment to your spiritual aggrandissement may go unnoticed. On a rather sad note in conclusion – Rory, it would be rather remiss of myself if I failed to exmplify in modest terms, of course, that your “pain” can only be usefully exacerbated as a lesson in DENIAL when conjoined with your “life events” as a facile super – imposition in trandscending yourself to such planes of denial which can only erupt from experiencing a consciousness which you NOW ATTEMPT TO DENY, and SELF DENIAL IS THE BIGGEST CRIME OF ALL.

From a Victim/Survivor of Institutional Abuse. whom I comprehensively hold in high opinion.  This victim/survivor does not beat about the phoney bush, only the ingenious one and is in consequence villified by persons such as Rory Connor  who does not have a bull’s concept of chronological institutional abuse. Notwithstanding him having a measly BA in History.

The above mentioned victim/survivor who suffered horrendous abuse at the hands of the religious has remained unwavering right the way through the last decade. Additionally, the said survivor has carried the courage of the historical institutional child abuse convictions and will not be cowered. Most principally, not by an ex-seminatrian who did classes in history. I ask -who gives a toss as to what this witch-hunter achieved?

Halloween is over, and it is time Rory disappeared on his spanking new religious broomstick, because if he was to hang during the wrong season you will be roasted for Sunday Xmas dinner.

Rory is messing around in the wrong sandpit.

The survivors above, along with the Irish/British abuser group activists, Mary Raftery, Eoin O’Sullivan, co authors of Suffer the Little Children, Christine Buckley, Chairperson of Aislinn, an educational/counselling centre distinctively set up in Jervis House, Jervis St, Dublin, to help those who were in the past incarcerated in Irland’s gulags.

Emer O’Kelly, journalist with The Irish Independent, Bruce Arnold, journalist, Fintan O’Toole, journalist, John Cooney, Journalist, Kathleen O’Malley. British based magistrate and author of ‘Childhood Interrupted’ who was also a survivor of institutional child abuse at Goldenbridge and Moate, Co Westmeath abnd another Goldenbridge contemporary Bernadette Fahy, author of ‘Freedom of Angels.’

Vincent Browne, barrister, editor of Village Magazine in Dublin, journalist. Emma Browne, solicitor, journalist, daughter of the latter.

Last but not least, Tony Hanahoe famous footballer turned solicitor, Margaret Rice, assistant to solicitor, Carthage Conlon and dedicated staff of Michael E. Hanahoe 21, Parliament St. Dublin 2 are all of the one mind. So beat it Rory boy. Go off home with your good self.

Marie-Therese O’Loughlin

Comment 1 (Source unknown)

“In relation to women priests, gay priests, the laity etc. I don’t know if there is an equivalent group in Ireland – I am concentrating my fire on journalists. Maybe I am exaggerating the importance of my time in the De La Salle Novitiate. But then again maybe not!”

Rory Connor

My reply:

Rory Connor is concentrating his “ire” is more like it, on victims/survivors of institutional abuse. Perhaps, he is a latent ‘Hohxa-hitlerist’. His obsession with us beggars belief. He continually posts on a site that is especially there for people who were in industrial schools and his drivel is so monotonous – all out out to save religion in ‘his’ name
I would hazard a guess that he has never gotten over leaving the De-la Salle Brothers and is subconciously making us suffer with all this transference lark.

He has this unhealthy insatiable fixation with “Abuse”. My last words to this attention-seeking parasite is: Why don’t you build a pill – house & isolate yourself in it and offer up penance to Stalin for all the anguish you are presently causing.

There are plenty of ‘sites’ in Albania that would cheerfully be right up your street. Just -please, please leave us alone. Get off the websites that are being partially funded by the dept of education & science for the benefit of people who were in institutions, not institutes. as opposed to where you were temporarily, Thank God “Glory goes to the ones not asking for it!” & may it follow you en-route to the chosen land. SIGURIMI.
Comment 2

HEY! YOU! Rory Connor, stop concentrating your “fire” phallic-symbol on victims/survivors of institutional abuse. You have subconsciously directed it at us for far too long. It is limp and shrivelled up – just like your drivel. Find a new cause that will light your fire.
What do you hope to gain by continually shoving your nose in the affairs of people who have evidently suffered in their childhood? You harp on about the fact that – because of what your mentors in the past did for you that you. You harass and harangue us for some sinister reason. Perhaps you need to go back to your formative years  – Freudian slip – and I don’t mean your ‘religious’ ones, as methinks therein lies the mystery of your bizarre behaviour.

“Mirror mirror on the wall who is the fairest of us all”? I abhor egotistical jumped – up pseudo – intellectuals bullies & you Rory are one of them. Fancy going on a website that was specifically created for vulnerable marginalised & fragile ex-inmates of industrial schools/ reformatories & ranting on about intellectual arguments that have no direct bearing on the real, every day problems of victims/survivors.

I note that you have never once communicated with any of the users of the site either. Is isan advertising avenue for you? A MATURE HISTORY STUDENT LIKE YOU PERHAPS WOULD NOT HAVE ANY THING IN COMMON, WOULD I BE CORRECT OR MIGHT IT BE a link to your most devoted priests, you hope, as you have no other format with which you can use to get recognition? A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 3

FROM AN AMERICAN WEBSITE. RORY ‘S HANDS/WITCHUNT MENTALITY HAVE TRAVELLED FAR?

“The attached is from the “Gay” magazine The Guide. Its not that it is the best account of your country’s Salem Witch-Hunt
I will send you details of better ones. It’s just that they cannot possibly be accused of making excuses for the Catholic Church. (I see they also have an article this month). Will you defend this lunacy or (more likely) will you ignore it and the questions is raises about anti-clerical “liberals”? Regards, Rory Connor”.

Summary follows.

“Plenty of material for an article on the effects of anti-clericalism. It’s not so much that I expect journalists like yourself to disagree.
What I expect is that you will remain silent and let the Witch-Hunters run riot. You don’t actually believe what they are saying but they are attacking your enemies and that’s all that count” Rory Connor.

COMMENT 4

B-A-I-N-I-N. MUMBO JUMBO. GOLDENBRIDGE INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL INCHICORE REVISITED.
RORY CONNOR FOISTS HIS COPY CAT MUMBO – JUMBO ON TOP OF VICTIMS/SURVIVORS OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.
ON THE ABOVEMENTIONED WEBSITE.
A VERY HURT VICTIM/SURVIVOR URGED THE ARBITRATOR, TOM HAYES, IN A POLITE POSTING, TO ELIMINATE ODIOUS MATERIAL FROM IT BUT AS AN ALTERNATIVE OF COMPLYING WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE VICTIM/SURVIVOR WHO WAS IN A VERY DISTRESSED STATE.

FOR EXAMPLE,  ENDANGERMENT OVERCAME HIS/HERSELF TO THE EXTENT OF CONTEMPLATING OVERINDULGING IN MEDICINE.
FOR THE REASON OF THE CONTEMPTIBLE CONTENTS OF MR CONNORS THAT WAS BLATANTLY PUT ON A WEBSITE FOR ANTAGONISTIC REASONS.
THE ABOMINABLE CLAPTRAP WILL NOT BE TOLERATED BY VICTIMS/SURVIVORS WHO WERE UNLAWFULLY INCARCERATED IN THE GULAGS OF IRELAND IN THE PAST. WE WILL STAND UP AND BE COUNTED.

THE INTERMEDIARY INSTEAD, CHOSE TO SIDE WITH RORY O’ CONNOR AND REMOVED THE VICTIMS’/SURVIVORS’ GRIEVANCE.
THE AUDACIOUSNESS OF MR. TOM HAYES, WHOM I EMPHATICALLY ASCERTAIN IS COLLUDING WITH A MAN WHO INCESSANTLY STIRS UP TRIBULATION.
BY PALPABLY ALLOWING HIM TO HAVE PRIMACY OVER A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE IN HAVING HIS ABOMINABLE, NOXIOUS SAY!. IT, SUPPLEMENTARILY, BEGS THE QUESTION AS TO WHICH CAMP THE MODERATOR IS IN.

CERTAIN PARTIES, HAVE PURPORTEDLY IN THE PAST COUPLED TOM HAYES WITH DISSENSION/FOREBODING WITHIN THE ABUSE GROUPS, IT. HOWEVER, IT ALWAYS WENT ON DEAF EARS FROM MY VIEWPOINT……………………… AS I FOUND IT TO BE RATHER UNFATHOMABLE. NOT ANY MORE, SUFFICE IT TO SAY. SO, SO SADLY LATE IN THE DAY!

RUMOURS TO THE CONTRARY ABOUNDED THAT HE WAS/IS WORKING ON THE SIDE OF THE RELIGIOUS. ALSO IN ADDITION, THAT HIS WEBSITE WAS ONLY A FRONT TO LURE THE NAIVE AND GULLIBLE. VERY CONFLICTUAL CHINESE WHISPERS!
IT WAS FOR THIS REASON THAT I NEVER PARTICIPATED IN ANY POSTING DISCUSSIONS THAT WENT ON.  IN HINDSIGHT, I AM AS GLAD AS I UNDOUBTEDLY, WOULD HAVE COME DOWN ON A SOFT LANDING.THANKFULLY, I POSTED ONLY ONCE, AND THAT WAS TO MY CHAGRIN.

MARY HANAFIN, MINISTER FOR EDUCATION, WILL, PERSONALLY BE  HELD ACCOUNTABLE, IF THE WELL KNOWN WEB/NAVIGATOR/AGITATOR IN THE GUISE OF RORY O’ CONNOR, IS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO COMPOUND ABUSE ON VERY FRAGILE VICTIMS/SURVIVORS.

THERE ARE, SUPPOSEDLY, HUNDREDS OF REGISTERED USERS ON THE PARTIALLY FUNDED SITE BUT IF ONE SCRUTINISES IT ONE WILL SEE THAT THE MAJORITY ARE ‘PORN’ ORIGINATED! IE: NICHTRAUCHER, NONSMOKER ‘CHEAP FLOWER’ – VERY UNDESIREABLE TO SAY THE LEAST.

THE SITE, RECENTLY, BY THE MODERATOR, WAS GIVEN A FACE-LIFT – A SOMEWHAT NEW IMAGE OF SORTS. YET, EVEN AT THAT ‘CHEAP FLOWERS’ AND ITS ILK ARE STILL HANGING AROUND. THAT INCLUDES BY THE WAY, THE EX-SEMINARIAN, SEMENARIAN.

IS IT PERHAPS, A RUSE, TO GIVE IMPRESSION TO THE POWERS-THAT-BE THAT VICTIMS/SURVIVORS ARE ACTIVELY EMPLOYING ITS SERVICES? WHATEVER THAT ENTAILS. INDEED! FROM A VERY ANGRY VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL  ABUSE

THE USAGE OF A PSEUDONYM WAS A PROTECTION MECHANISM FOR A VERY DISTRUSTFUL PERSON.

AS IT TURNS OUT trustworthiness does not come into the vocabulary of the partial owner of said site.

A VICTIM/SURVIVOR, AS TOM HAYES, ABOVE ALL PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW, HAVING SPENT HIS WHOLE CHILDHOOD IN AN INSTITUTION, IS VERY CAUTIOUS BY THE VIRTUE OF THEIR SAD BACKGROUND. IT IS THE MODERATORS’ PROBLEM IF HE DOES NOT WANT TO CORRESPOND WITH A VICTIM/SURVIVOR COMPLAINANT, WHO WAS AFTERALL ONLY POINTING OUT DISGUSTING RUBBISH THAT WAS PUT UP ON HIS WEBSITE BY A  FIXATED EX-PRIEST WHO HAS A BIG AXE TO GRIND. I REITERATE IT THROUGH THE MEDIUM OF RYS FORUM, WILL MR. TOM HAYES OF  live up to the name of the sites ethos and support the very people the site professes. be in alliance with victims/survivors and not those who are allegedly making false statements about Christine buckley who is incidentally, a very sick woman.
Please ultimately dispose of the digusting pieces of Mumbo Jumbo that has been put on a website that is for victims/survivors of institutional abuse.

WHO, IN THEIR RIGHT MIND, WOULD WANT TO GIVE THEIR CREDENTIALS TO A MODERATOR WHEN SUCH ALLEGED NEGATIVITY HAS IN THE PAST BEEN BANDIED ABOUT.

By the way, Tom Hayes YOU DELETED POLITE COMMENT YET YOU ARE PREPARED TO LEAVE ON THE SITE DENIGRATING MATERIAL REGARDING CHRISTINE BUCKLEY. HAVE YOU BY ANY CHANCE GOT A PERSONAL GRUDGE AGAINST THIS ARDENT CAMPAIGNER OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE AS IT CERTAINLY SEEMS THAT WAY. A GENUINE VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.
COMMENT 4
RORY,”WHY” DID YOU LEAVE YOUR HOLY ORDER OF christian brothers , THE DEL LA SILLYS.
DID HUMPTY DUMPY FALL, OR WAS HE PUSHED.? WHICH WAS IT RORY no ‘sweetman’ me, Rory A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 5

RORY CONNOR UP TO HIS AMERICAN WEBSITE ANTICS.

Yes, Rory, I do accept that, at the very least, there has been a miscarriage of law in the Shanley case (I’m not in a position to know whether it was just, in the cosmic sense). I also accept that cases based on recovered memory are crap. The notion that people forget trauma is fanciful and probably agenda-driven. Further, the instances you describe re: Artane sound nuts and produced by hysteria. But what you can’t deny is what the Church has documented itself – and I’m not just talking about sexual abuse, here. I’m talking about the Magdelen laundries and the whole infrastructure of incarceration built around unwed mothers, orphans and juvenile delinquents, wherein these people were mercilessly brutalised. And, of course, I’m talking about clergy who have admitted what they’ve done and about the Church which has admitted its role in covering for them. It’s important to distinguish fact from fiction and to consider these cases individually, but you want to generalise too much from a handful of particulars. What should be important to you is the truth, not just the reputation of the Church. Comment by: Jon Ihle. Thank You Jon. nothing sticks to the Teflon/Velcro smooth smarmy Rory – especially not the truth. A victim/survivor of institutional abuse.

COMMENT 6

The insidious whisper of the bad angel.

Rory Connor, can you not get satisfaction in any other capacity? Does your ex-priesthood status still create problems? Is this grotesque insidious, lying in wait, watching for an opportunity to ensnare the work of a witch? As you clearly portray the symptoms in your postings. You are nothing but a crafty: wily; designing; guileful; circumventive; treacherous; deceitful; deceptive, jumped-up nobody, ready to become active when you think the chips are down on the victims/survivors of institutional abuse. You forget, though, that we are also out there waiting to pounce. We are slowly waiting to listen to the insidious whispers of the bad angel. From a victim/survivor of institutional abuse.

COMMENT 7

THE LENGTHS RORY CONNOR WILL GO TO WITH HIS OBSESSION TO EXONERATE THE CHURCHS COMPLICITY.

What the hell is in the water up there, anyway? Comment by: Douglas Fletcher at February 24, 2005 Everyone here – especially Tim should know that Rory Connor’s aim here is to exonerate the Catholic Church’s complicity in widespread sexual abuse by drawing attention to exceptional miscarriages of justice. He’s been bombarding my blog and email for over a year now trying to get me to write about this stuff, too. He contacted me because I’m a Jew who occasionally writes about anti-Semitism and he sees the sex abuse allegations, trials, etc. as an anti-Catholic campaign. As you can see from his last comment, his paranoid exculpatory fantasy involves a conspiracy theory about an organised attack by homosexuals on the Church. From what I can tell, his group, is struggling with the complete loss of Catholic authority in Ireland, where not only has clerical sex abuse been revealed, but also a widespread longstanding system of virtual slavery for orphans, unwed moothers and other moral undesirables. This is an institutional problem with the Church, but Connor wants you to pay attention to an individual case so that you forget that. Comment by: Jon Ihle at February 24, 2005………..NICE ONE, ‘PARANIOD EXCULPATORY FANTASY’ – SUMS IT UP TO A TEE!

RORY CONNORS, REPLY.

Jon Ihle is right. I have been bombarding journalists trying to get them to write about a gross miscarriage of justice that bears comparison to the (Jewish) Dreyfus case in France over a century ago. The evidence against Dreyfus was forged but it was not ludicrous. The accusers of Dreyfus had more respect for the intelligence of their audience than the advocates of Recovered Memory which is more like voodoo brain science. I know a lot more about the witch-hunt in Ireland than in the USA. However I do know that Shanley was one of the chief whipping boys of the anti-clerical child abuse lobby. Since Shanley is innocent of the charges against him (as even Jon Ihle seems to accept), it is a reasonable conclusion that the entire scandal in the USA is fake. I know for certain that our Irish scandal is a fake and a witch-hunt. I have been in contact with a number of the chief accusers and leaders of “victims” groups. One of them told me on the steps of the Catholic Cathedral in Dublin, that there are mass grave in Artane and other institutions run by the Christian Brothers. (This encounter took place in front of journalists and TV crews and was – briefly- reported in the media. His group was picketing the Cathedral after Mass). Another gentleman told the Irish Times that he attended the funerals of boys who died after being punched in the stomach by the Christian Brothers. No boy died of any cause while this gentleman was in Artane. I had a sharp E-Mail exchange with him in which I invited him to name the dead boys. Of course he produced no names. I know of several other accusations of this type. I call them “Murder of the Undead” allegations and they seem to be the Irish equivalent of Recovered Memory Syndrome. I am not talking about isolated individuals who jump on the bandwagon of a genuine scandal. These allegations come from the leaders and spokes-persons for “victims” groups in my country. The Irish Minister for Justice and the Gardai (police) have confirmed that they are unaware of a single murder. It is impossible to disprove allegations of child abuse, decades after the alleged events. You cannot prove a negative. However when the people who allege systematic child abuse are also making “Murder of the Undead” type claims, then you know that we are dealing with a new Salem. Rory Comment by: Rory Connor at February 24, 2005.

COMMENT 8

Rory Connor here, I’ve known many, many gay people in my life; I don’t ever recall any of them having a burning desire to lower the age of consent laws. Even if Shanley is innocent, that hardly undermines the numerous other cases of sexual abuse of children (and nuns for that matter) by RCC priests. Of course, its not like the RCC doesn’t have a long and inglorious history of persecuting or victimizing people; thus, the latest revelations are just par for the course.

COMMENT 9

I agree I have limited knowledge of the scandal in the USA. However the following is a quotation from an article by Daniel Lyons, “Sex, God and Greed”, Forbes magazine, June 2003. “The False Memory Syndrome Foundation, a Philadelphia debunking group, says at least 100 clergy cases involve people who claim they were molested or raped, blocked it out for decades and now suddenly remember.” Another quote about the lawyer who represents the four “victims” of Paul Shanley. “For Roderick (Eric) MacLeish, sex litigation is a big business. MacLeish says he represents 240 people bringing abuse claims against the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston.” The Shanley case is described as his “most celebrated current case.” Daniel Lyons is no Catholic Church acolyte nor is Forbes Magazine. The article is largely concerned with the effects of the scandal on the American insurance industry! There are just too many dubious cases. Have they all jumped on the bandwagon of a genuine scandal or is there something rotten about the entire child abuse issue? The story is much the same in Ireland. Artane was an industrial school mainly for teenage boys I think. Some would have committed offenses, some were orphans and others were neglected by their parents. The allegation about mass graves is an accusation of mass murder against the Christian Brothers! There was an article in the Sunday Independent (on 22 December 2002 I think) which claimed that there had been a “Holocaust” at another school in Letterfrack with bodies buried all over the place. The man who made the claim had been at Letterfrack about 20 years after the last boy died there! As I said, “Murder of the Undead” allegations are the Irish answer to Recovered Memory Syndrome. Rory Connor.

COMMENT 10

Is this discussion closed? I am going to attempt a final comment anyway. John Ihle and myself differ on most things but we both agree that Recovered Memory is crap. Since he is Jewish and I am Catholic this agreement is not ideological but genetic (i.e. we are both Irish). Recovered Memory Syndrome is a Freudian fable and only occurs in societies where Freudianism has made deep inroads into the culture. This did not happen in Ireland. The Catholic Church was strongly opposed to Freud’s ideas because they represented a threat to Catholic doctrines regarding sin, free will and personal responsibility. (Even aetheists should be concerned about the latter two). That is why we have lunatic lies like “Murder of the Undead” but not Recovered Memory. Both societies are sick but I prefer the Irish disease. A liar inhabits the same moral universe as the person who is telling the truth; he just has a different attitude to truth. The Recovered Memory brigade are from a different planet altogether. It is possible to repent of telling lies but how do you repent of Recovered Memory. Rory Connor.

COMMENT 1
From my reading of the case Paul Shanley may well have been guilty of sex with underage but ADOLESCENT boys. Consensul sex with a 16 year old youth is a crime, but very different from raping a 6 year old. So why wasn’t he charged with his (possible) real crimes? In the 1970s Paul Shanley was a Gay and Liberal icon. He was part of the Church’s outreach to the Gay community and reached out so far that he swallowed their agenda hook, line and sinker. When he was removed from that ministry about 1980, Cardinal Madeiros (?) was denounced as reactionary. Part of the Gay agenda was (and is?) to reduce the age of consent. If Shanley was prosecuted for consensual sex with teenage youths, the trial might have focused on the issue of homosexual priests. Instead the prosecution brought vile and fantastic charges in order to demonise Shanley and the Catholic Church. Just a suggestion! Rory Connor. Has Rory connor got any religious/ psychotherapy training? If not, why the morbid interest in all things pertaining to sex & priests.

COMMENT I2

Does Rory Connor allegedly get a kick out of both? If he was a victim/survivor one would automatically understand from whence he was coming. but that is not the situation. Very mysterious indeed! There are countless worthy justice issues out there that need campaigners to fight for, but this gentleman seems to have nestled himself neatly amongst institutional victims/survivors despite having very little wherewithal in relation to the politics of these despicable gulags; of which, destroyed thousands of innocents’ lives. This witch – hunter needs desperately to find a new broom to clean his closet. There is also a lot of dust under his own creaky bed that needs sweeping! The old broom afterall, is completely worn out & is leaving too many tell – tale signs behind. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 13

“I was a novice in the De La Salle Brothers in Castletown, Co. Laois, Ireland in the year 1966/1967. It was the peak experience of my life and the main reason why I have been engaged in the fight against false allegations of child abuse directed against Catholic clergy . My novice master was Brother Maurice Kirk. In August/September 1967 a Jesuit priest Father Michael Sweetman gave us our final Retreat” (spiritual conference) before we were professed as De La Salle Brothers. I left the Brothers in March 1969. Recently I deposited some material in archives and the following is part of a covering note”.

COMMENT 14

Rory Connor, what are the bona fide reasons for engaging yourself in the fight against false allegations? Are you hiding behind the mantle of a dead priest or what? Alternatively, under it, Is this cyclical behaviour on your part? If you are so fond of the Religious, why did you leave the De La Salle Brothers in the first occurrence?Would it be a piece of evidence that you have still not found what you are looking for?
You also come into view as that of a personage that does not; have any comfort zone in life” from sound bytes, you send out, you emerge to be a someone who has this underlying need to salvage
Are you still afflicted with hankerings after the Order in question? As from my angle, it sounds like it!
Your morose inquisitiveness vis-a vis Clerical Sex Abuse stretches far and wide into the cyberspace world and it relates – only to males. On the other hand for, whatever reason you do not take an interest in female sexual abuse issues” Sex abuse, is sex abuse, is sex abuse and it happens to both species. Why differentiate between Homo – Sapiens. In this respect, you send out the message that you have an schema. A qualified person would spot it a mile away as they watch out for cues and you unquestionably give away many clues in your postings. For a man of  the near cloth Freudian slip, it strikes me, as if you are being too exaggeratedly implicated, in the whole Sex Abuse shambles. The incessant rationalization you make a propos your departed guru does not wash. You looked up to your mentor and saw him as someone on a par with your parents and even better than them at a time in your life when you should have transferred your idolisation to young women. Did something go extremely wrong wherever in your youth that you have never come to terms with, – mal- imprinting perhaps? A few expert sessions with a skilled Freudian psychotherapist – preferably though,, not religious in your case could indubitably see you find your proper causes to fight – which may even turn out to be – your own corner. ‘Never look back’ says the song, but this is unerringly what you are doing. You are in a time warp and you do not even know it. I would comprehensively advocate that you find another valuable cause. You will never know the new cause could be more appropriate to your persona as you perceptibly do not have the attributes or the empathy for the one that you have of your own accord taken on. You have asymmetrical deranged in-sanitary contemptuous disillusioned uncanny black views. You are an discomfiture to the religious by all fanatical records. You have also become a laughing stock to victims/survivors of institutional abuse. You need to find a new familiarity that will re-ignite a blazing fire within. You might even reach higher magnitude ‘peak’-wise than the ones you rose to whilst with the De La Salle Brothers. Who knows – orgasmic heights unidentified to you may be to come for you. Conversely, Sir, my advise, in the interim is ˜get real” for The sake of the De La Salle Brothers  & that too of institutional ex-detainees.
Last but not least, for your own sake. as you are not going to find the real thing hanging out where you are patently not wanted.
FROM: A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 15
Among Shanley’s fiercest critics–and those who would have suffered the most because of what they say he did–are gay men and supporters of gay fights. “Paul Shanley didn’t rape me because he was gay,” says Arthur Austin, who Shanley manipulated during an emotionally fragile time in his early 20s to make him Shanley’s sex slave. “He raped me because he was a sociopath who was encouraged and nurtured by the archdiocese of Boston. They let it happen.” THIS LAST BIT NEEDS REPEATING  “He raped me because he was a sociopath who was encouraged and nurtured by the archdiocese of Boston. They let it happen.” “He raped me because he was a sociopath who was encouraged and nurtured by the archdiocese of Boston. They let it happen.” “He raped me because he was a sociopath who was encouraged and nurtured by the archdiocese of Boston. They let it happen.” ….. “He raped me because he was a sociopath who was encouraged and nurtured by the archdiocese of Boston. They let it happen.”  A VICTIM SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

Never look back – in anger – in anger – in anger – in anger – in anger – in anger – in anger – in anger – in anger. I slipped up, rather was a song by Queen? All these Freudian slips I am having to contend with are sending me into/up dizzy heights. Look back in anger is the old – time film. The choice is all yours, Rory Connor.

COMMENT 16

VICTIMS/SURVIVORS kindly take great care if you are “contacted” by a one TOM HAYES OF A FORUM FOR “HEALING”.
I see he already has an AGENT OR TWO floating about. Two names to avoid are:TOM HAYES and RORY O CONNOR (ex Christian Brother))The “HELP” offered by these people consists of ANYTHING YOU SAY BEING RELAYED BACK TO RELIGIOUS AUTHORITIES. Much more information can be given on this, but I shall find a manner, privately, to get this to you. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 17

I CAN SECOND – ABOVE COMMENT, AS I TOO, HAVE HAD A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE  TOM HAYES AND RORY O’ CONNOR WILL IN FUTURE COME WITH A WARNING SIGN FROM: “A ONCE BITTEN TWICE SHY” VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 18

It is sheer lunancy to drop the statute of limitations for child abuse on the basis of the Paul Shanley case. Recovered Memory Syndrome is practically unknown in my country (Ireland). Even people who make patently false claims against the Catholic Church (e.g. allegations of murder at a time when no boy died of any cause) do not claim Recovered Memory. It is a Freudian fable and Freud was never very influential in Ireland. (We have no equivalent of Woody Allen either!). We Irish are not THAT different from Americans, especially in the way we react to severe trauma. If Recovered Memory only occurs in certain cultures, it cannot be real. Regards Rory Connor, Dublin.

COMMENT 19

This reminds me a lot of my own article which speaks for people who have been falsely accused of child abuse. By the way “Recovered Memory” is almost unknown in Ireland even though we have plenty of false accusations. It is a Freudian fable and Freudianism never put down deep roots in my country. The Catholic Church regarded it as an attack on the concepts of sin, of free will and of personal responsibility (and they were right). Rory Connor.

THE CONVICTION OF (FATHER) PAUL SHANLEY (excerpts)

Shanley’s original chief accuser was a man called Gregory Ford. As his parents tell it he had tried in vain for years to recall being molested by anyone. They showed him a newspaper article and photo of Shanley and he did not even remember the priest. Finally they showed him a snapshot of his first communion with Father Shanley and he collapsed sobbing and said that from 6 to 11 he had been raped by the priest. He alleged that Shanley took him from his one hour Sunday school class, raped him and then returned him to his schoolmates. The Fords say that Gregory never exhibited any unusual behaviour during those years. THEY CLAIM THAT AFTER EACH ONE OF 80 SEXUAL ASSAULTS, GREGORY FORGOT WHAT HAPPENED AND APPROACHED EACH NEW ASSAULT AS IF IT WERE THE FIRST. “AS SOON AS IT HAPPENED, EACH TIME HE LEFT THE ROOM, HE FORGOT ABOUT IT,” GREGS FATHER RODNEY FORD SAID. “THE SPECIALISTS HE SEES NOW ARE AMAZED HE COULD BLOCK THIS OUT, THAT HE HAD SUCH CONTROL”.

[1]  Paul Shanley was convicted on ludicrous evidence because the USA is gripped by hysteria about child sex abuse. It is the same blind hysteria that secured Nora Walls’ conviction in June 1999. Who can forget those touching headlines! Vile Nun! Pervert Nun! I was Raped by Anti-Christ?. It was not only the tabloids that created this lunacy. ONE OF NORA WALL’S DEFENCE TEAM TOLD ME THAT SHE WAS CONVICTED IN A CLIMATE OF HYSTERIA CREATED BY THE MEDIA AND SPECIFICALLY BY MARY RAFTERY’S “STATES OF FEAR”? SERIES (RTE April/May 1999).

COMMENT 20

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A large number of sex allegations have been made against priests and nuns dating back decades. Does this mean that things were terrible when the… A large number of sex allegations have been made against priests and nuns dating back decades. Does this mean that things were terrible when the Church were powerful and that there is a vast improvement today? In my country (Ireland) there were about 6 murders a year in the 1950s. Today the figure is closer to 60 a year. Every other type of violent crime has increased in the same way, not to mention addiction and venereal disease. The only ‘exceptions” are deaths from AIDS and drug abuse which have not really “increased” because they hardly existed then. Are we supposed to believe that child abuse is the only exception to this sorry story? Look at this another way. It’s usually accepted that criminal behaviour starts early in life and that a child’s early experiences are vital in determining his future. So what type of early experioences are our children having today (as compared to 50 years ago)? I have put this question to some of my “liberal” friends and I have got very strange answers. I was told – more than once – that many murders were never reported in the 1950s! So maybe that explains the lack of statistics about deaths from AIDS and heroin back then. Maybe the Catholic Church was concealing them as well? I was also told that decades ago alcoholism was the same as drug abuse today. That is partly true but does it mean that the number of alcaholics is going down as the number of drug addicts increases? Rubbish. All doctors agree that both problems are getting worse. Moreover the children of addicted parents are more likely to be abused – either because the parents are out of control or because they cannot protect their children. So how is it possible to believe that children are better off today than they were in a society where the Church was powerful? We are now living in a “liberal”, secular society in which anything goes. Why do our liberals persist in blaming the Church for the evils all around them? I use the term Witch Hunt to refer to the entire range of hate filled propaganda against the Catholic Church. (I use the term “anti-Semitism” in a similar way). Does this mean that all of the accusations against clergy are false? No it does not. There are Catholic criminals just as there are Jewish criminals. The problem lies with the motives of those who condemn priests or Jews. Julius Streicher editor of the Nazi magazine Der Sturmer accused the Jews of being sexual perverts who murdered Christian boys. He also wrote that there were Jews in the American Mafia and among Stalin’s lieutenants. The last two accusations were true. This does not mean that Streicher was supporting Stalin’s victims or Mafia victims. He just used the existence of Jewish criminals to justify his hatred of the Jews. I think it is highly significant that both anti-clerics and anti-semites make bogus allegations of child murder. Dexx seems to be saying that if innocent clergy are accused of child abuse it is really the fault of the Catholic Church and not… Dexx seems to be saying that if innocent clergy are accused of child abuse it is really the fault of the Catholic Church and not of the people who tell the lies. Paulo McCabe was not a clergyman. He was mentally ill and living on the streets. Nora Wall was a Sister of Mercy and tried to help him. Thus he became a target of people who were really aiming at the Catholic Church. Maybe all homeless or poor people should refuse help from the Church in case they attract accusations of child abuse? If so do our anti-clerics plan to take over the Church’s I’m not sure what tc finds so hard to understand. If two Jewish Rabbis were the subject of Blood Libels (i.e. they were accused of… I’m not sure what tc finds so hard to understand. If two Jewish Rabbis were the subject of Blood Libels (i.e. they were accused of murdering boys at a time when no boy died), would it be hard to understand what is going on? I did not refer to only two false accusations. The two women who accused Nora Wall had made a string of rape allegations against several people. Only one even reached the courts (the Kilkenny case) and that was thrown out. One of them also accused a homeless schizophrenic man of raping her on her 12th birthday with the help of Nora Wall. This man Paulo McCabe was in jail on this ladys 12th birthday. He was the ultimate victim because he was accused simply as a way of getting at Nora Wall and the Sisters of Mercy. If a Jewish woman was convicted of rape on evidence like that, we would all agree that the cause is anti-Semitism. What is the difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Clericalism. The comments on the Nora Wall case are extraordinary. Her two accusers had previously accused a father, brother, uncle, “black man in Leicester… The comments on the Nora Wall case are extraordinary. Her two accusers had previously accused a father, brother, uncle, “black man in Leicester Square” and a man from Co. Kilkenny in Ireland. After the trial the Kilkenny man saw an article in a newspaper and recognised the name of one accuser as the one who had made a false allegation against himself. He contacted a member of Nora Wall’s family and the case against Nora Wall promptly collapsed. I am personally aware of two cases where men accused the Christian Brothers of murdering boys in Artane Industrial School. They said they attended the funerals. (One made his clain in a newspaper, the other in a TV programme). No boy died while either of these was in Artane. It was not even “honest” hysteria. This is nastier than the Salem Witch Hunts. At least the Salem accusers believed in their allegations.

COMMENT 21

Rory Connor. Only one ex nun was ever brought into the equation. where the female gender is concerned, this was merely because she was a high profile figure. Just raking over the recent past. Rory, you too should try going back a bit further and delving into your own past . If you want a dig-out ask Bertie for a hand-out. In saying that – be mindful as nothiing sticks with this fella – his hand, in the interim might slip and knock you back into the big deep quagmire. Slippery Teflon/velcro Rory then would be an apt title. I would seriously recommend that vetting procedures be put in place before people like you come into contact with vulnerable victims/survivors of institutional abuse, as a lot of us don’t know where you are coming from. You, like some others, are very unnerving characters. Out of nowhere you entered the Child Abuse arena. Do the moderators of the Child Abuse websites know your credentials apart from what you want to divulge? The Dept of Education should be made aware that you are using a website that was set up for their usage. Victims/survivors do not need to be disturbed any further by your rantings on their site. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 22

The Republic of Ireland in the International Context – – 14. The Council notes that placed in an international context the Republic of Ireland has a low level of recorded crime, at just above 2,000 per 100,000 of the population. Sweden, with a rate of just under 14,000 per 100,000 of the population has the highest rate. The Republic of Ireland belongs to a group of countries, which also includes Spain, Russia and Japan, which have low rates of crime. Indeed, in 1998 the rate of recorded crime fell here and in Denmark by six per cent, representing the largest drop in Europe. In terms of violent crime the Republic of Ireland is situated at the lower end of the scale; only Switzerland, Greece, Russia and Japan have lower rates. …. http://www.irlgov.ie/crimecouncil/docum … Report.pdf . From a victim/survivor of institutional abuse.

COMMENT 23

You are absolutely right: The Black Internationale has got Tim! I was a De La Salle Brother from 1966 to 69 and it was the formative experience of my life. My novice master Brother Maurice Kirk was as important as my parents if not more so. (He became head of the De La Salle Order in Ireland and was killed in a car crash on 10 April 1974.) In September 1967 at the end of our training a Jesuit priest Father Michael Sweetman gave us a 9 day Retreat (spiritual conference for you pagans). It’s true what the Jesuits say: when they control a child’s education they have him for life! Rory Connor

COMMENT 24

WHICH OF THE TWO HAS GOTTEN TO YOU RORY? IS IT – THE BLACK INTERNATIONALE? OR IS IT – THE BLACK GARB JESUITS? OR DO BOTH BOTHER YOU GREATLY AS METHINKS BETWIXT THE WITCHES AND THE RELIGIOUS YOU ARE IN TOTAL CONFUSION, THAT BOTH HAVE INDECIPHERABLY ‘EMERGE'{D} INTO THE ONE. UNDER THE ‘INFLUENCE’ OF VARYIOUS ‘VOICES’. IN THE HEAD ‘LOVE’ HATH NO BETTER FRIEND/VOICE THAN THAT OF ROARY THE HOARYS CRUSADING ONES
I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD BECOME A BUDDHIST MONK , AS YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY IN GREAT NEED OF ENLIGHTENMENT OF SOME DISCRIPTION. The practice of Buddhism is very much about becoming a better human being. To be a better human being means being able to help others as well as oneself, avoiding negative patterns of behavior and embracing positive ones. Here are five steps that you may find helpful in the pursuit of this goal. FROM A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.The practice of Buddhism is very much about becoming a better human being. To be a better human being means being able to help others as well as oneself, avoiding negative patterns of behavior and embracing positive ones. Here are five steps that you may find helpful in the pursuit of this goal. More later – on the Five Precepts of said religion!

COMMENT 25

Have you got the Irish Times Rory said to newspaper seller on the corner of Seven Sisters Road and Holloway Road/ Also can you tell me where the Nags Head pub is? “You are standing right outside of what was the Nags Head, came the reply”! A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE NOW RESIDING IN GREAT BRITIAN.
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Saturday November 4th 2006

Founded On Fear By Peter Tyrrell

Mavis Arnold

‘I am looking forward to re-writing the story. But should anything happen, i.e. an accident, or death (my death) I hope it will still be possible to publish the story based on my manuscript. The thing is that it will one day be printed.”

Peter Tyrrell was born into poverty on a small farm near Cappagh, Ahascragh, Co. Galway in 1916. His mother had eight children, a feckless husband, and was crippled with arthritis. They lived in a one-room barn with no windows.

When the mother’s begging, in desperation to feed her family, came to the attention of the civic guards, the authorities petitioned the courts to commit four of the children to St Joseph’s Industrial School in Letterfrack. Peter was eight years old and he was to remain there until he was 16.

He wrote this book in the 1950s long before there was any attention paid to the horrific treatment of children in industrial schools. It took many more years before the neglect, the mindless cruelty, the dreadful conditions in which the children lived were thrust upon a public who, despite what they must have suspected over the years, chose to ignore the desperate plight of thousands of children in so-called ‘care’.

Significantly, none of Peter’s claims was refuted by the Christian Brothers at the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse, in 2005, and all the Brothers accused by him were subsequently removed.

It was the reign of terror by Brother Vale which seems to have made the entire Letterfrack experience a nightmare that continued for Peter all his life, until his tragic death. (Vale was later sent to a mental institution and died there.)

The most violent of the Brothers, he was merciless, regardless of the age of the child, and delivered violent blows with part of a rubber tyre reinforced with a steel band for the most trivial of misdemeanours. His beatings were legendary and the sounds of children screaming and weeping permeated throughout the building.

The children’s hands, covered with chilblains, were beaten; their heads were knocked against walls; they were kicked and battered. They were half-starved.

When Peter Tyrrell later joined the British army in 1939 and was taken prisoner he said that prison camp was a tea-party compared with his childhood. Letterfrack, he said, was “like Belsen”.

But not at Christmas, New Year’s Day or Easter when were there no beatings, and the Brothers (including Brother Vale) would stay up half the night cooking the dinner for the next day, and putting small presents into stockings.

It was as if an Amnesty had descended, and the children could be heard laughing and running about, without fear of violence.

It was Owen Sheehy Skeffington – a passionate campaigner against the brutal ethos of Irish education – who encouraged Peter to write an account of his time in Letterfrack.

But it was not until 40 years later that the manuscript came to light, as well as correspondence between the two of them, in Skeffington’s papers.

In 1966 a pamphlet was published by a branch of Tuarim on ‘The Residential Care of the Deprived Child in Ireland’ with the object of informing public opinion. But, for Peter Tyrrell, too much of the reality had been ignored and he wouldn’t believe the group when they assured him that things were better now.

A year after the publication of the Tuarim pamphlet, he committed suicide by setting himself alight on Hampstead Heath. The only clue to his identity was a torn postcard found next to the body with the words ‘Skeffington’ and ‘Dublin’.

In a note on the book cover, the UCC historian Prof. Dermot Keogh says: “The text cries out to Heaven! It holds up a mirror to official Ireland, the Irish state and the Catholic Church . . . read it and weep.”

© Irish Independent

“FOUNDED ON FEAR”; BY PETER TYRRELL.

EXCERPT

The new Brother has now arrived to take charge of cooking and the refectory. We are all whispering to each other, the first mornig at breakfast that brother Vale takes charge. It’s always exciting when a new Brother arrives.
Everyone is asking himself the same question, is he quiet, or is he cross? All eyes are now on Brother Vale as we take our breakfast in silence…. I have heard that Brother Vale has just spent seven years in a deaf and dumb school near Dublin.
He wears dark glasses so we cant see his eyes. He speaks very little as he signals us to sit down, stand up etc. His age is about the same as Walsh or Fahy.
Annie Aspel in charge of the laundry said his age is about forty five, or as she puts it, THE AGE WHEN THEY ALL GO STRANGE.

Nothing very much happens for almost a week, it was on Sunday, when we are allowed to talk at meals. After been given permission, we were about halfway through our breakfast when the boys on number three table began to speak.
Like a flash, Brother Vale rushed to the table and beat everyone across the back and the head with something which was neither a stick nor a strap We couldnt see him carry any weapon. He struck everyone about six blows at terrific speed. The screams and shouts were most frightening.

The boys on number three table were about thirteen years old. A few minutes after we were given permission to talk my Brother Joe discovered what it was that the boys were beaten with. It was an eighteen inch long piece of rubber, and it had been cut from a solid rubber tyre.
Vale now pushed the rubber up under the shoulder of his jacket, so that the impression was plainly visible from the outside.

Nobody else was beaten during the meal, but when breakfast was finished, Vale went around and examined the floor under each person. Anyone who had allowed crumbs of bread to fall on the floor were ordered to get down and pick them up, as they did this, they were beaten with the rubber………….Peter Tyrrell. Ends
COMMENT

This Vale, was subsequently committed to a MENTAL INSTITUTION, and died there. A raving LUNATIC OF STAGGERING PROPORTIONS, VALE, LIKE TOBIN, CONDUCTED A VILE CAMPAIGN OF PHYSICAL BRUTALTY WITHIN BOTH, THE KITCHEN AND REFECTORY………. PEA’S IN A POD, BOTH OF THESE DEBASED LUNATICS.

WERE THERE “BABIES” OF THREE AND A HALF YEARS OF AGE EATING IN THIS REFECTORY AS THIS LUNATIC VALE, RAN AMOK WITH HIS EIGHTEEN INCH LONG PIECE OF RUBBER TYRE?

Peter Tyrrell’s book is INDEED A SEARING INDICTMENT exposing the BRUTALITIES OF LETTERFRACK.

It should serve the Country well, whenever we HEAR OF ANY RELIGIOUS ORGANISATION PUTTING FORWARD “POLICIES” FOR THE “CARE” and “PROTECTION” of vulnerable children.

WE HAVE WITNESSED AND “EXPERIENCED” this so called “CARE and PROTECTION”, and HISTORY has shown that this CARE and PROTECTION of children BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH and its ORGANS, make SHARIA LAW, AN ACCEPTABLE TENET OF WESTEN “CIVILISATION”

Peter Tyrrell’s book does indeed PUT MANY LARGE NAILS IN THE COFFINS OF THE BLACK GARBS, and RIGHTLY SO.

So much so in fact, that one ex de la silly Christian Brother, RORY, {it’s ok to f..k vulnerable children} CONNOR, has been on a “MISSION” IN London, attempting to DIG UP SOME “DIRT” on Peter Tyrrell to off-set THE GRIEVOUS DAMAGE DONE TO THE BLACK GARBS BY TYRRELL’S BOOK.

Mr RORY (it’s ok to rape vulnerable children) CONNOR, has also voiced and vouchsafed his OPINION to OFFER REBUTTAL to the contents of Peter Tyrrell’s book, titled no doubt,  “FOUNDED ON FILTH”, a title in keeping with the “holy” order he once belonged to, NOW REVILED AROUND THE WORLD AS CRIMINALS, LIARS, BRUTES AND THUGS.

THE RAPISTS OF CHILDREN, THE SODOMIZERS OF CHILDREN, THE BUGGERERS OF CHILDREN, THE BRUTAL TORTURERS OF CHILDREN, yes, none other than the DE LA SALLE ORDER OF christian brothers. In tandem with their COHORTS of other religious orders, the exposure of THESE MOST BRUTAL AND VILE SATANIC CULTS has been WIDELY REPORTED AROUND THE WORLD.

Mr RORY (it’s ok for a Christian Brother to force oral rape on a child) CONNOR, has in recent years conducted his HATE FILLED CAMPAIGN on the Institutionally Abused, a most vile campaign based on nothing more than religious BIGOTRY and failing MENTAL HEALTH.

Mr RORY (it’s ok to starve and brutalize innocent children) CONNOR, has achived a certain degree of NOTORIETY by soft peddaling his “BA” IN HISTORY as a means and tool TO ATTACK THE HIGHEST IN THE LAND OF ENABLING A “WITCH HUNT” TO ENSUE AGAINST HIS BELOVED religious orders.
From the TAOISEACH down, Mr RORY, (it’s ok to beat thOSE WHO WERE IN THE PAST incarcerated into animlastic states) CONNOR, has attacked all and sundry who fail to MARCH TO THE BEAT OF HIS DRUM, as liars, criminals and thugs, who are hell bent on obtaining money through the REDRESS BOARD by the application of FALSE ALLEGATIONS, obviously that can be regarded as “fair comment” when indulged in by the MENTALLY AFFLICTED.

Mr RORY, (it’s ok to kick a child to death in Tralee) CONNOR has displayed MENTAL AFFLICTION of a most insidious nature, and I feel it’s a BIT BELOW THE BELT TO LABEL BERTIE AS A CRIMINAL, LIAR, THUG AND BRUTE.

Merely becuse HE RECOGNISED THE FACT IN LAWFUL TERMS OF THE HORRENDOUS AND BRUTAL SEXUAL AND PHYSICAL ATROCITIES COMMITTED IN THE CHILD BROTHELS OF IRELAND, ON THE INNOCENT, THE HELPLESS, THE DEFENCLESS.

So much so that FOLLOWING BERTIE’S APOLOGY, ON BEHALF OF THE NATION, A LAWFULLY CONSTITUTED COMMISSION OF INQUIRY WAS ESTABLISHED, UNDER CONSTITUTIONAL LAW AND ENACTMENT.

NOT ONLY TO ASCERTAIN THE EXTENT OF THIS RAMPANT AND VILE CLERICAL SEXUAL TERRORISM, BUT TO ALSO ENSURE THAT THROUGH SUCH EXPOSURE OF THIS PRACTICED CLERICAL SEXUAL TERROTRISM, such barbarity could NEVER AGAIN occur, or happen in Ireland.

Fair play to Bertie, and BOLLOCKS TO RORY. Mr RORY, ((it’s ok for children to be used as slave labour) CONNOR, has a “thing” about REPUTABLE JOURNALISTS who not only SPEAK THE TRUTH,  but also REPORT THE TRUTH.

Mr RORY (it’s ok for children, who absconded to be forced to run around a playground till they could no longer run, that  they dropped down like flies from exhaustion, and were KICKED into getting up and made run again)

CONNOR, can only be likened to some medieval jester of assisine ability, through mental impairment imposed no doubt by the brainwashing techniques he willingly submitted himself to as he entered, as an “innocent novice” the hallowed portals of his prison, from whence his “MENTORS” emerged, his beloved Fr Sweetmad, and Captain Kirk of the STARSHIP ENTERPRISE, or was it Maurice Kirk, do forgive me Rory, MY memory, like yours is not what it was, MINE GOT BETTER. Forsaking his PARENTS, and their LOVE thereto,

Mr RORY (it’s ok to have your hair shaven from your head, and beaten with a leather on it) CONNOR, lasted, it seems, THREE whole YEARS WITH THE DE LA SILLY Christian Brothers, AND THEN HE LEFT! BUT “WHY” HE LEFT REMAINS TO THIS DAY “UNCLEAR”, Any comments Rory boy?

Catch you later sunshine.  From a victim/survivor of institutional abuse domiciled in London, England.

DECEMBER 2006 – NEWSLETTER FROM: THE RESIDENTIAL INSTITUTIONS REDRESS BOARD.

Newsletter December 2006………….. Friday, 8th December 2006………… This is the 13th in a series of newsletters which the Board has decided to produce to keep applicants informed from time to time as to the procedures it follows and other developments. The Board’s “Guide to Hearing Procedures” issued in April 2003 and in December of last year the Board issued the third edition of the guide. The Board’s annual report for 2005 issued to the Minister for Education and Science in June of this year. This report can be viewed on the Board’s website www.rirb.ie and is available free of charge from the Board’s office…………… Applications:……. The final date for receipt of applications has now passed and the Board has received a total of 14,541 applications; 9,432 of which were received in 2005. Of these 2,255 were received in November and 3,700 were received in December……….. The Board notifies applicants once it has received all necessary documentation in relation to their case. These notifications, known as completion letters, issue at a rate commensurate with the Board’s ability to finalise applications and therefore do not always issue immediately after the Board has complied with its obligations in relation to the notification of relevant persons as outlined in the Residential Institutions Redress Act 2002 (Miscellaneous Provisions) Regulations 2002. The Board is conscious that, given the disproportionately large number of applications lodged immediately before the statutory deadline of December 15th 2005 (3,700 applications were lodged in the first two weeks of December 2005 compared with 104 for the same period in 2004) there will be a considerable time lapse before these applications can be finalised………… Applications Received after 15th December 2005:…………. In accordance with section 8(1) of the Residential Institutions Redress Act 2002 the final date for receipt of applications was December 15th 2005. The Board has received a total of 166 applications since that date. These applications have been dealt with by the Board in accordance with the Act……….. Awards:…………. To date the Board has completed the process in 7,168 cases. 5,256 offers have been made following settlement talks and 1,567 awards have been made following hearings. 5 applicants have rejected their awards. 345 applications were withdrawn, refused or resulted no award. By and large applications have been refused as, on the face of the documentation, the application was outside the Boards terms of reference as laid down in the 2002 Act. In other words the applications did not relate to residential institutions as defined in the Act. These applications are determined by the Board immediately on receipt so that the applicant is informed at the earliest possible date that his/her application is outside the ambit of the redress scheme……………. The average value of awards to date is 71,000, the largest award being 300,000. Redress Board Bands……………… The breakdown of awards by Redress Band is as follows:…….. Redress Bands Total Weightings for Severity of Abuse and Injury/Effects of Abuse…… Award Payable by way of Redress……. Number……… Percentage………… V 70 or more 200,000 – 300,000 20 0.29%…………….. IV 55 69 150,000 – 200,000 143 2.08%……………….. III 40 54 100,000 – 150,000 1151 16.74%……………. II 25 39 50,000 -100,000 3842 55.88%…………… I Less than 25 Up to 50,000 1719 25.00%………… Total: 6875…….. 100.00%…. Sittings………… The Board sits every day in its premises in Clonskeagh and now completes approximately 213 cases per month. It has also sat in Galway and Limerick. The Board sits for approximately one week per month in Cork and will continue to do so as long as there are sufficient applications from the region.

COMMENT:1

Poor Rory had to stay in a five star hotel in London while doing the dirty work for the religious freaks and now that he and his plans have been exposed the gobshite was recalled back to Dublin. Victim/survivor of institutional abuse.

BRUTALITY IN LETTERFRACK

October 31, 2006

A Chara, – Mary Raftery recently likened the dreadful experience of Peter Tyrell to that of Primo Levi (Opinion, October 19th). After hearing extracts from Tyrell’s book on the radio the other night, I was struck by the aptness of Raftery’s comparison.

Both men, through no fault of their own, found themselves locked in a nightmare. They suffered appalling brutality and humiliation. They were stripped of their dignity and lived in sheer terror.

The comparison doesn’t end there. In both cases society closed its eyes. The extraordinary way in which a combination of hatred and cowardice gave rise to collusion in Nazi Germany is well documented. But if it is true that ordinary Germans knew well about the horrors inside Dachau, here in Ireland ordinary people knew about places like Letterfrack. Worse still, they colluded in it. A garda would assist in rounding up boys for industrial schools. A farmer would hand over escapees that he found on his land. All in full knowledge of the cruel regimes to which the boys were being returned. Politicians rounded on anyone – and they were few – who dared to speak out. The Catholic Church, cruel and tyrannical, defended its regime with ferocity.

As Peter Tyrell sobbed after his brutal drubbings, he must have wondered what kind of people lived in the little cottages all around. He must have asked himself how a Mass-going community could allow an enclave of brutality in its midst. His heart must have been continually breaking as he wondered what he had done to deserve this cruelty.

Levi suffered a similar collapse in his faith in mankind. But at least he had the satisfaction of seeing the demise of the sick regime that was responsible for his suffering. Poor Peter Tyrell had been brave enough to raise his voice against the tyranny only to be shouted down.

In his quest for justice he met a stone wall, thick and steadfast like that of a church. We are still dismantling that wall and it is essential that we try to understand how it was built. – Is mise. CIARÁN MAC AONGHUSA, Churchtown, Dublin 14.

COMMENT:2

JASUS, that’s AWFUL, I mean RORY, (it’s ok to be deranged) CONNOR, having to give up his LUXURY HOTEL and ABANDON his “INQUIRIES”, is there NO JUSTICE in this world. Not for an eejit like him, that’s for sure.

Straying from the ambit of what little ability he posSesses (BA in history), and showing a lack of comensurate confidence in tandem with his ignorance, gained by THREE YEARS WITH THE DE LA SILLYS, a handi-cap in ANY mans language.

Rory, {it’s ok to support clerical sexual terrorism} CONNOR, bereft of observational learning and perceiving of himself as a model of competence and high status saw fit to imbue himself with a paradigm of nonsencical belief bordering on lunacy which can be progressively tracked to “life events” which so tragically decimated his “adolescence”.

We can witness this appropos by the abscence of reflective communications to HIMSELF, never mind others, which effectively denudes him of self understanding leading to a lack of inner sustenence so necessary to form opinions which govern attitudes, and as the religiously inducted and brainwashed NOW KNOW, corrective emotional experiences lie beyond their grasp as they are trapped and encapsulated forever in an “adolescent state” imposed by religious dogma.

“ARMED” with such “weapons” RORY, (it’s ok to be an idiot) CONNOR, entered “THE ARENA” of North London to GATHER DIRT on Peter Tyrrell, no doubt in answer to a “request” from the black garbs………Peter Tyrrell’s book , “FOUNDED ON FEAR,” MUST be giving rise to CONSIDERABLE CONCERN in certain quarters!

Mr RORY, (it’s ok to impose the genre of NE`ER DO WELLS to all the institutionally abused) CONNOR, reposed in luxury during his stay in London, somewhat truncated, but however A FIVE STAR HOTEL HERE DOES COST MONEY!  AND “WHO” PAID FOR YOUR “DRIVER”RORY?

NO DOUBT, WHEN “THINGS” GO UP ON “YOU TUBE”it  wont TAKE LONG to rid him. Your very presence here Rory leaves NO MISUNDERSTANDING AS TO YOUR INTENT AND PURPOSE WHICH IS TO DISCREDIT PETER TYRRELL.

Let me ASSURE YOU, it will be a BUMPY RIDE FOR YOU SUNSHINE. THE “ARENA” RORY, is for GLADIATORS, not WIMPS!

Your task “centred mission” in deflecting CLERICAL SEXUAL TERRORISM FROM THOSE “DESERVING”OF SUCH TITLE, has FAILED, and FAILED MISERABLY.

THERE IS “NO DEFENCE” Mr RORY, (it’s ok to beat up three and a half year old babies) CONNOR, TO CRIMINALS, LIARS, BRUTES AND THUGS, whose main remit in life WAS TO DESTROY CHILDREN, this barbaric practiced consisted of, RAPE, BUGGERY, SODOMY, TORTURE, STARVATION, FORCED LABOUR, EMOTIONAL DESTRUCTION, FAMILY DESTRUCTION, EDUCATIONAL DESTRUCTION, MORAL DESTRUCTION, RELIGIOUS DESTRUCTION, MENTAL DESTRUCTION, PSYCHLOGICAL DESTRUCTION, YOU NAME IT.

Mr RORY, (it’s ok to be a brute)) CONNOR, THE DE LA SALLES, THE IRISH Christian Brothers, THE penguins, AND OTHER religious RIFF RAFF BRUTES, CRIMINALS, LIARS AND THUGS WHO SYSTEMICALLY SET ABOUT IN ALMOST AN “INDUSTRIALIZED BRUTAL PROCESS” TO MALICIOUSLY AND WILFULLY DESTROY A WHOLE GENERATION OF IRISH DEFENCLESS CHILDREN.

AS AN ex Christian Brother, YOU TOO WERE ONCE PART OF THAT PROCESS. I STIIL AWAIT “NEWS” OF YOU ACCEPTING “MY CHALLENGE” TO TAKE YOU ON. Perhaps, the COWARDLY WAY OUT is best for you sunshine, yes, THE RELIGIOUS WAY. VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.
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Dear Daughter  1996

“I wanted to find my Dad and say ‘see what I’m suffering for the like of you’.”

The unwanted child from a relationship between a Nigerian medical student and a married Dublin woman, Christine Buckley was abandoned at three weeks and subsequently brought up in Goldenbridge orphanage where life for her and other children like her, was pure hell. Dear Daughter is the story of this coloured Irish woman’s persistent and ultimately successful search for her parents.
Dear Daughter synopsis
Louis Lentin

A coloured Dublin woman’s search for her parents exposes abuse in Goldenbridge Orphanage.

“I wanted to find my parents and kill them” Christine Buckley reflects at the opening to Dear Daughter. This documentary allowed Christine Buckley and other women to tell of the physical and mental abuse they were subjected to while in care at the Sisters of Mercy orphanage at Goldenbridge Dublin in the late 1950’s and early 1960’s.

Christine Buckley’s birth was the result of an affair between a married Dublin woman and visiting Nigerian student. At the age of three weeks she was given up for fostering. Having been in a number of foster homes at the age of four Christine Buckley was sent to Goldenbridge, an orphanage run by the Sisters of Mercy.

Much of the first half of the documentary concentrates on the memories of growing up in Goldenbridge. Director Louis Lentin uses dramatizations to illustrate the memories of the women. He also has the women re-enact things they did in the orphanage as children now as grown women. In one scene the women are shown making rosary beads as they tell how they were under pressure as children to meet a quota of making sixty sets of beads a day.

The accounts of the physical and mental cruelty the children endured are truly shocking. Tales of beatings, scaldings and infants strapped to potties do not make this an easy documentary to watch. One woman recalls how she broke a statue of the Virgin Mary while playing with another child. As her punishment she was made stand overnight in the pose of the statue she had damaged.

The second half of the documentary concentrates on Christine Buckley’s search for her parents. Christine left Goldenbridge and having completed her leaving certificate she went to Drogheda to study nursing. She married in 1977 and after an illness in 1983 she began the long search for the truth about her parents. When she finally traces her mother, her image for years of what this reconciliation would be like is shattered. Christine Buckley’s mother does not want to know her. As Christine Buckley says, ” There was nothing about her I recognised. I had looked forward to this day and I thought that we would be able to become friends and I thought we would be able to have many an hour sipping coffee in Bewelys… as I looked at this woman I knew it could never be like this.”

To trace her father Christine needed her mother’s permission for his name to be released. A year after meeting her mother permission for the name to be released was granted. After another search her father was traced back to his home in Nigeria where he is now a doctor. The first letter Christine received from him opened with the words Dear daughter which gives the documentary its title.

Dear Daughter is a fascinating yet at times difficult to watch documentary. The pain that memories of Goldenbridge have for the women at that time is there for the viewers to see. If there is a small quibble over the style it is that the dramatisations are awkward at times and jar the story. This is particularly true towards the end when Christine her husband and children act out some of her memories.

As almost a postscript the last couple of minutes of the documentary have Sister Helen O’Donoghue, the current Provincial Leader of the Sisters of Mercy expressing sorrow for things that happened in the past. Dear Daughter had huge audience figures in Ireland. It was broadcast at a time when Ireland as a country was beginning to uncover some dark secrets about how people in trust in our society had abused that trust.

Can be viewed at the Irish Film Archive by Liam Reilly

Medical View ‘inconsistent’ with Goldenbridge Abuse

{Added on November 5, 2004}

A SENIOR surgeon who worked at the hospital where children from the Goldenbridge orphanage were treated during the 1950s has said that he cannot corroborate the description of the most severe injury inflicted on Christine Buckley. She claims injuries were inflicted on her by beatings at the hands of Sister Xavieria, the Sister of Mercy nun at the centre of the controversy over alleged abuse at the orphanage.
Buckley, who was the subject of the Dear Daughter documentary on Goldenbridge broadcast by RTE television last month was among 18 former residents who alleged physical and verbal abuse by Xavieria. Their claims have since been supported by dozens of former residents. But in the medical opinion of J B Prendiville, a surgeon attached to Dr Steeven’s, the hospital which treated Goldenbridge children from 1955 until its closure in 1987, Buckley’s claim in the documentary that her leg was split open from her hip to her knee alter a beating by Xavieria is difficult to comprehend.
This has added to controversy over the claims made by Buckley and others against Xavieria. The nun denied abusing the children on RTE’s Prime Time programme last week and a number of former Goldenbridge residents have supported her. Now Buckley says she is appalled that the abuse is denied by Xavieria, questioned by medics, and missed as exaggeration some former residents.
Buckley said she was viciously beaten by Xavieria after it was discovered she had smuggled a letter out to a newspaper with the bread delivery man. The nun, she claims her repeatedly on the legs with a stick, using such force that her thigh burst open from her hip to her knee, leaving a scar that stretched from her buttock to the end of her thigh.
She says she recalls being brought to the hospital covered in blood. She was treated in casualty, or “the dispensary” as it was known to the children. She recalls her wound being sutured and dressed — she believed she received 80 to 120 stitches. She was not admitted as a patient to the hospital, and after her wounds were dressed was sent back to the orphanage. Prendiville said he cannot recall ever treating a Goldenbridge child with a lacerated thigh. He said an injury needing such extensive stitching would not have been treated in Casualty. Standard medical practice would have necessitated that such an injury would require extensive surgery under a general anaesthetic, and a child with such an injury would have been detained as a patient at the hospital. In his experience, injuries to limbs caused by blunt instruments do not cause significant lacerations, but are more liable to cause fractures and muscular injuries — a medical view supported by R B Fisher, consultant at Belfast City hospital with 10 years experience of treating the victims of punishment beatings.
As a specialist in soft-tissue injury and burns Prendiville said that such an injury would have been referred to him by medical staff; since it was an unusual case he would have undoubtedly recorded it for academic purposes. But he has no record or memory of any such case although he concedes he might well have been away at the time Buckley’s leg injury brought her to Dr Steeven’s.
Moreover, he has not seen the scars she still bears on her leg. His assessment is based on what was the standard practice in the casualty department, of which he was in charge. Neither he, nor three other medics who worked at Dr Steeven’s in the 1950s, can recall anything suspicious among the Goldenbridge children who regularly attended the hospital with typical childhood ailments.
There is no documentation to chart what happened to these children. Medical records were destroyed in a fire after the hospital closed. The doctors are casting their minds back to incidents that happened more than 40 years ago, a time when responses to child abuse were generally muted. And some former residents of the orphanage have emphasised the repeated warnings, prior to hospital visits, that they should lie about the cause of their injuries.
Buckley’s testimony has been supported by dozens of former residents of Goldenbridge and another institution. St Kyran’s where Xavieria also worked. The nun herself reportedly wrote to a friend “The allegations all nearly have a basic bit of truth but are blown up to an unbelievable state.”
One of the more chilling allegations to surface was that an 11-month-old baby died four days after she was put into Goldenbridge. When the infant’s father, Myles Howe. returned from England and went to St Ultan’s hospital, he was told by a nurse that his baby had burns on her knees but the staff had got her too late to save her. The postmortem said the child died of dysentery.
The Howes have never been satisfied by the official response. Prendiville recalls that St Ultan’s was established largely for dealing with bowel complaints such as dysentery or gastroenteritis, a common illness among children which at that time could reach epidemic proportions in Dublin. He speculated that Marian Howe was more than likely admitted to St Ultan’s with a bowel complaint. “I wouldn’t say that burns of that size on a child’s legs would have been the cause of death. They didn’t treat burns in St Ultan’s. If the baby died from a burn, there would have to be an inquest. But failure to communicate information is a defect in many hospitals,” he said.
But if the burns were not the cause of Marian’s death, asks Howe, why was he told by Xavieria that it was an “accident” and not dysentery that killed his child? Why, on his arrival at St Ultan’s to see his dead child, did a nurse indicate to him that his daughter had died of burns? And why could nobody explain to him the large burn marks on the sides of her knees?
The outrage that followed the Prime Time programme was directed as much at Xavieria’s denials of abuse as at an apparently “soft” line of questioning. The allegation that a baby in her charge died of burns was not put to her on the programme. The reason was that after researching the allegation, the Prime Time team could find no evidence to support it. according to an RTE source. The reporter did ask Xavieria about the incident, he said, but her response was edited out of the programme.
Both Buckley and Dear Daughter producer Louis Lentin, regard the Prime Time report as an effort by RTE to undermine the documentary. “Sister Xavieria is perfectly entitled to any right of reply, but this programme bent over backwards to be reverential,” said Lentin. “The facts were not put to her in a strong, investigative manner.” Additional reporting: Jan Battles. Sunday Times 28/04/96

*I was too harsh on the orphans, admits nun*

{By Toby Harnden, Ireland Correspondent}

A NUN accused of cruelty while in charge of orphanages in the 1950s and early 1960s has admitted punishing children, “at times too harshly”, but denied allegations of serious abuse of those in her care.

Sister Mary Xavieria, 78, became the focus of the latest damaging scandal for the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland when claims of ill-treatment were made by some who had lived in institutions run by her order, the Sisters of Mercy.

Irish detectives are investigating allegations made in a television documentary that children were placed in a tumble-drier, scalded and, in one alleged instance, beaten hard enough to require hospital treatment.

On Tuesday night Sister Xavieria broke her silence to tell the RTE programme Prime Time that her life had been wrecked by the claims.

Many of those who spent time at the Goldenbridge orphanage in north Dublin had portrayed her as a harsh and pitiless woman. Sister Xavieria admitted forcing children to make rosary beads when they should have been playing.

She also said: “I did slap, I am sorry to say, on the hands and the leg. I inherited a slapper. It was a half-inch thick and had rounded edges like a ruler. At times I was too harsh.”

“Before my God and from my conscience, I have never put a child in a drier”
Sister Xavieria denied scalding a child – “I would never have deliberately poured water on anybody” – and said no child was put in a tumble-drier while in her care.

“Before my God and from my conscience, I have never put a child in a drier,” she said.

She admitted that a child had been confined to a furnace room on one occasion for between 20 minutes and half an hour as a punishment, though not by her.

“I would not approve of it, I did not do it. I’m sorry it happened at all.”

Sister Xavieria, now living in retirement in a home run by her order, added: “I feel thoroughly sorry and I apologise to all the people out there I hurt in any way.”

Christine Buckley, 49, who alleged that she was the victim of severe beatings and ill-treatment by Sister Xavieria, said the programme was an injustice to those who had suffered.

“It’s despicable that Sister Xavieria is now saying she is sorry. I wrote to her in 1984 listing abuses she inflicted on me and I never heard from her,” Mrs Buckley claimed.

Carmel McDonnell, who was in Goldenbridge after Sister Xavieria left, said she was operating a helpline for victims and had received about 700 calls from people claiming they had been ill-treated.

Others, however, defended Sister Xavieria. Jenny O’Brien, who lived at St Kyran’s orphanage in Rathdrum, Co Wicklow, said: “I cried on her behalf because she has to sit there and account for things she didn’t do…………” Mrs O’Brien is part of a group of former orphans supporting Sister Xavieria.

COMMENT 1

I CAN SEE CLEARLY WHAT IT IS THEY ARE TRYING TO DO. THEY ARE TRYING TO TWIST THINGS AND SAY IT WAS THE CHILDREN WHO ABUSED EACH OTHER. THIS IS UTTER NONSENSE. MY TIME IN GOLDENBRIDGE INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL WAS DREADFUL. THERE WERE THREE EXTREMLY VIOLENT SADISTIC NUNS RUNNING THE PLACE WITH AN IRON FIST. SR BERNADINE, SR XAVERIA, AND SR FABIAN.  THE STAFF WAS MADE UP OF MISS DEVANEY, WHO HAD A CELL IN ST JOSEPHS DORMITORY, WHERE THE BABIES SLEPT. MISS DEVANEY STOOD BY AND WATCHED AND DID NOTHING TO STOP THE BRUTALITY.

MISS GUIREY WAS ALWAYS DRUNK AND ALSO SMOKED LIKE A TROOPER. SHE ALSO ONLY WORE MENS CLOTHES AND HAD A MANS HAIR – CUT. SHE WAS SO SADISTIC THAT CHILDREN AS YOUNG AS TWO YEARS OLD WET THEMSELVES OUT OF FEAR. THIS ALSO HAPPENED WHEN SISTER XAVERIA AND SR BERNADINE WERE PRESENT. THERE ALSO WAS MISS GROGAN, MISS LOWE.

THE REST OF UNTRAINED STAFF WERE MADE UP OF WOMEN WHO HAD GROWN UP IN GOLDENBRIDGE. {WHO WERE KEPT ON AS WORKERS }……………… THESE WOMEN WERE VERY DAMAGED THEMSELVES. THEY GOT ACCOMMODATION AND A SMALL REMUNERATION. THE WHOLE ATMOSPHERE WITHIN THE CONFINED WALLS  OF GOLDENBRIDGE WAS ONE OF INCREDIBLE VIOLENCE AND NEGLECT.

WE WERE NOT EVEN ALLOWED A DRINK WATER – SO WE WERE FORCED TO DRINK OUT OF THE TOILETS, LIQUIDS WERE REFUSED AFTER SIX PM EACH EVENING SO THE CHILDREN WERE LEFT SADLY WITH NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE.

DURING MY TIME OF DETENTION IN GOLDENBRIDGE, THE STAFF DID NO DOMESTIC WORK. ‘CHILDREN DID EVERYTHING’,  WE WERE WATCHED OVER BY STAFF AND NUNS WHO CONTINUALY BEAT US WITH STICKS AS WE WORKED.
THE CHILDREN WERE NOT VIOLENT TOWARDS EACH OTHER – BUT THE STAFF USED TO BEAT US TO TRY AND FORCE US TO ATTACK  ONE ANOTHER.
‘ EVIL’ IS THE RIGHT WORD TO DESCRIBE THESE MONSTERS, WHO WERE ALSO MENTALLY UNBALANCED. POOR CHILDREN WERE FORCED TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH SUCH MAD SADISTS.

CHILDREN IN GOLDENBRIDGE DID NOT BEAT EACH OTHER UP. THE NUNS AND STAFF DID PLENTY OF THAT.
INDEED, CHILDREN WOULDN’T HAVE HAD THE TIME TO CARRY ON  WITH THE LIKE AS THEY WERE ALWAYS WORKING, WHETHER IT WAS IN THE ROSARY BEAD MAKING FACTORY {FOR HOURS } OR, SOMETIMES, WELL INTO THE NIGHT OR TO FINISH AN ORDER FOR THE LOCAL FACTORY

OTHERWISE,CHILDREN WERE SLAVING AWAY – MAKING BROCHES, GLUING PAPER BAGS FOR SHOPS, OR SEWING POSH LACE ONTO LADIES UNDERWEAR FOR SHOPS OUTSIDE.
WHEN NOT OCCUPIED WITH THE ABOVE WE WERE SCRUBBING, POLISHING, OR WERE GOING HUNGRY AND COLD AND WERE TERRIFIED. THIS WAS LIFE IN GOLDENBRIDGE,  AND IF YOU THINK VICTIMS/SURVIVORS WHO GREW UP IN THIS HORRIBLE PLACE ARE ALL VERY ODD. IS IT ANY WONDER! FROM A VICTIM/SURVIVOR – NOW  SADLY DOMICILED IN GB.

COMMENT 2

“The majority of us did not get an ounce of love. It shows they have absolutely no idea of the pain we endured”………CHRISTINE BUCKLEY.

Sr Helena O’Donoghue: was shocked by claims.
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Wednesday March 16th 2005

Nuns tell heated abuse inquiry that orphanage head was unfairly ‘demonised’ in documentary

THE Mercy Sisters have said that while they accept abuses did take place at Goldenbridge industrial school, they deny the most serious allegations, especially those made against the former head of Goldenbridge, Sr Xaviera.

The statement was made yesterday during a public hearing of the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse. Sr Helena O’Donoghue, a member of the Mercy Sisters’ leadership, was giving evidence about the general regime at the industrial school, officially known as St Vincent’s.

The school gained notoriety in 1996 when RTE screened the drama documentary ‘Dear Daughter’ which focused on the story of Christine Buckley and the allegations of brutality she made against Sr Xaviera, who was resident manager at Goldenbridge at the time.

Sr O’Donoghue, who stressed she had no personal knowledge of the school and was instead relying on written records and the testimony of third parties, recalled the dramatic effect ‘Dear Daughter’ had on her order, which is the biggest in Ireland.

She said they were shocked that so many of the people who had been in their care had such bad memories of their time in Goldenbridge and other industrial schools under their management.

However, she complained that Sr Xaviera, who is still alive, had been “demonised and vilified” as a result of the programme. “Serious allegations were accepted in the public domain as fact.”

Sr O’Donoghue recalled how, shortly after the ‘Dear Daughter’ broadcast, Sr Xaviera publicly denied the most serious claims of abuse made against her, although she acknowledged she ran a strict regime at the school which included use of corporal punishment.

Sr O’Donoghue said that Sr Xaviera’s denial of the most serious abuse allegations “was ignored by the media”. She said “judgment had been made”.

Christine Buckley, who runs the victim support group, Aislinn, was in the audience at yesterday’s hearing with a group of former residents of Goldenbridge who interrupted proceedings with shouts of “lies” and “whitewash”.

Legal counsel for Ms Buckley, the former Attorney General John Rogers, intervened saying that Ms Buckley felt she was not being given a chance to respond in public to what Sr O’Donoghue was saying. He indicated that Sr O’Donoghue’s testimony amounted to a denial of the abuse allegations made by Ms Buckley herself.

He said his client felt that if Sr O’Donoghue was permitted to comment in public hearings on her allegations, then Ms Buckley should also be permitted to respond in public hearing.

Commission chairman, Justice Sean Ryan, indicated he could give no assurance on this point. But Ms Buckley and over 30 other former residents of Goldenbridge will be giving testimony of their experiences at the school in private session beginning on Friday until April 27. Areas of contention can then be discussed in public hearing under cross-examination.

Among the most serious allegations against Sr Xaviera and Goldenbridge generally included that she beat Ms Buckley on the leg so hard that it split open, and that babies were badly neglected and even died as a result of mistreatment.
David Quinn Religious Affairs Correspondent.© Irish Independent

Woman beaten by nuns attacks probe into abuse

Henry McDonald, Ireland Editor

Sunday September 14, 2003

The Observer
The embattled Laffoy Commission into child abuse sent a victim subjected to 15 years of beatings and humiliations by nuns for counselling to a nun.
May Henderson, who was sent to the notorious Goldenbridge orphanage at the age of two, described the commission’s decision as ‘the final insult after a childhood of abuse’.

Speaking publicly for the first time about her time at Goldenbridge, the London-based pensioner accused the government-backed commission of being ‘totally insensitive’ towards victims like her.

May was born in Dublin 70 years ago and at the age of two was incarcerated against her mother’s will in Goldenbridge because she was illegitimate.
Despite repeated assurances by her father that he could take care of his daughter, the nuns at the orphanage refused to let May have any contact with him.

They even hid 31 letters her father wrote to his child while serving in the Royal Ulster Rifles during the war.

May only received the letters a couple of years ago when the state and the religious orders were forced to tell the truth about the regime of cruelty and deprivation in the church-run orphanages and institutions.

‘When the Laffoy Commission was first established I wrote to them and told my story,’ she said. ‘They recommended that I should get some counselling to come to terms with what went on in Goldenbridge.

‘They recommended that I speak to the Immigrant Counselling and Psychotherapy group at Islington, London.

‘It was only when I went there that I found out that the centre is run by a Sister Teresa Gallagher of the Loretto Convent and member of the Conference of Religious in Ireland. The Irish government funds it.

‘Now I don’t know this nun personally and I can’t say anything about her. But the bottom line is this – in general I hate nuns and want nothing to do with them. I suffered at their hands and don’t want any other nuns near me.

‘So I was stunned when the commission was totally insensitive by sending me there.’

May said her life in Goldenbridge was miserable from the day she went in as a toddler to the day she left as a teenager.

She was regularly beaten for minor transgressions, left to sleep in her own urine when she wet the bed, had her teeth knocked out during one assault and was hospitalised following a severe beating at 13 when she and a friend attempted to break out of the orphanage.

May said one of the favoured weapons used by one of the most notoriously cruel nuns at Goldenbridge was a set of thick wooden rosary beads.

‘She would beat you with the rosary beads while she prayed and you recited the Hail Mary,’ she added. ‘The sick thing about it was that we, the children, made those rosary beads in the workshop, which were sold to convents, holy shops and parishes.

‘And, by the way, the children who made them were given absolutely nothing in return. So now you know why I hate nuns,’ she said.

The Irish government’s decision to employ members of the clergy to counsel victims of clerical abuse has caused outrage among survivors’ groups.

On 30 March this year a public meeting at Imperial College London broke down in chaos after abuse victims shouted down Sister Gallagher during a meeting attended by Minister of Education Noel Dempsey.

The Irish Survivors of Child Abuse Group organised the protest because the Laffoy Commission website recommended the Islington counselling centre and Teresa Gallagher but did not mention that she was a nun or that the premises are in fact within a Catholic Church in Finsbury Park, London.

May Henderson, a grandmother who spent most of her adult life in self-imposed exile from Ireland, has not moderated in her views on the religious orders or the church.

Irish Survivors of Child Abuse has boycotted Laffoy from its inception, believing that it was designed to exonerate successive Irish governments and ministers – the people who had the ultimate authority over the Industrial Schools and orphanages in the State.

The group were also angry that on the very last day before the 2002 Irish general election the then Minister of Education Dr Michael Woods pushed through an indemnity package that protected the Catholic Church from being sued in the courts from victims of clerical abuse.
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 #92 2006-12-08 22:06:32 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin
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STATE SUES FRANCISCANS FOR PORTION OF CHILD ABUSE COSTS

The State has begun a legal action against the Franciscan Brothers order to force it to pay a proportion of a compensation bill to two men abused by a Franciscan brother at a primary school in the 1970s.

The unprecedented move marks a tougher approach by the State towards church authorities and orders in relation to abuse compensation claims that are not covered by the controversial indemnity deal. The new approach has been instigated by the State Claims Agency, which in September took over the handling of 200 compensation claims from victims of child abuse, mostly relating to primary and secondary schools.

“The State Claims Agency will be protecting the interests of the taxpayer in ensuring that they are not paying out in respect of abuse claims where the abuse has been by committed by members of religious orders, congregations and the church generally,” a spokesman for the agency told The Irish Times.
He confirmed that as part of this approach the agency was now pursuing the Franciscan Brothers for costs in relation to compensation claims involving a former brother, John Hannon, who served eight years for child sexual abuse at two schools in the 1970’s and 1980’s. It was the first time the State had initiated such proceedings against a religious order, he said. The State has admitted partial liability, as the Department of Education was aware of complaints dating back to the early 1970s against Hannon before the two men were abused as boys in Co Offaly. It has now made six figure compensation payments to both.

It has since issued a notice of “indemnity and contribution” against the order, based at Mountbellew, Co Galway, which has consistently denied any liability and refused to pay significant compensation to victims of Hannon. The State will be asking the High Court to adjudicate on whether the order has a shared liability in the case. The two day hearing is due to get underway in the coming months.

The new approach is in marked contrast to the controversial indemnity deal, where the State agreed to underwrite all ongoing compensation claims from former residents of religious run children’s homes in return for a contribution to the State’s redress scheme. Victims’ groups welcomed the new approach, but warned that the State should not be allowed to deny liability in all cases. Colm O’Gorman of One in Four said the policy ‘marked an extraordinary departure that will be welcomed not just by taxpayers but by victims as well as it will hold church authorities and religious orders to account’. He urged the State Claims Agency to adopt ‘a sensitive approach’ towards victims, warning that a complete denial of liability in all cases would be unrealistic and unfair.

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RE: GOLDENBRIDGE INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL, INCHICORE, DUBLIN, IRELAND. NOW DEMOLISHED, WITH THE EXEPTION OF

GOLDENBRIDGE CONVENT AND CHAPEL WHICH NOW COME UNDER THE HEALTH/COUNCIL DUBLIN AUTHORITIES.

COMMENT: 1

I CAN SEE CLEARLY WHAT IT IS THEY ARE TRYING TO DO. THEY ARE TRYING TO TWIST THINGS AND SAY IT WAS THE CHILDREN WHO ABUSED EACH OTHER. THIS IS UTTER NONSENSE. MY TIME IN GOLDENBRIDGE INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL WAS DREADFUL. THERE WERE THREE EXTREMLY VIOLENT SADISTIC NUNS RUNNING THE PLACE WITH AN IRON FIST. SR BERNADINE, SR XAVERIA, AND SR FABIAN. THE STAFF WAS MADE UP OF MISS DEVANEY, WHO HAD A CELL IN ST JOSEPHS DORMITORY, WHERE THE BABIES SLEPT. MISS DEVANEY STOOD BY AND WATCHED AND DID NOTHING TO STOP THE BRUTALITY.
MISS GUIREY WAS ALWAYS DRUNK AND ALSO SMOKED LIKE A TROOPER. SHE ALSO ONLY WORE MENS CLOTHES AND HAD A MANS HAIR – CUT. SHE WAS SO SADISTIC THAT CHILDREN AS YOUNG AS TWO YEARS OLD WET THEMSELVES OUT OF FEAR. THIS ALSO HAPPENED WHEN SISTER XAVERIA AND SR BERNADINE WERE PRESENT. THERE ALSO WAS MISS GROGAN, MISS LOWE.
THE REST OF UNTRAINED STAFF WERE MADE UP OF WOMEN WHO HAD GROWN UP IN GOLDENBRIDGE.  – WHO WERE KEPT ON AS WORKERS –  THESE WOMEN WERE VERY DAMAGED THEMSELVES. THEY GOT ACCOMMODATION AND A SMALL REMUNERATION. THE WHOLE ATMOSPHERE WITHIN THE CONFINED WALLS OF GOLDENBRIDGE WAS ONE OF INCREDIBLE VIOLENCE AND NEGLECT.
WE WERE NOT EVEN ALLOWED A DRINK WATER – SO WE WERE FORCED TO DRINK OUT OF THE TOILETS, LIQUIDS WERE REFUSED AFTER SIX PM EACH EVENING SO THE CHILDREN WERE LEFT SADLY WITH NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE.
DURING MY TIME OF DETENTION IN GOLDENBRIDGE, THE STAFF DID NO DOMESTIC WORK. ‘CHILDREN DID EVERYTHING’, WE WERE WATCHED OVER BY STAFF AND NUNS WHO CONTINUALY BEAT US WITH STICKS AS WE WORKED.
THE CHILDREN WERE NOT VIOLENT TOWARDS EACH OTHER – BUT THE STAFF USED TO BEAT US TO TRY AND FORCE US TO ATTACK ONE ANOTHER.
‘ EVIL’ IS THE RIGHT WORD TO DESCRIBE THESE MONSTERS, WHO WERE ALSO MENTALLY UNBALANCED. POOR CHILDREN WERE FORCED TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH SUCH MAD SADISTS.
CHILDREN IN GOLDENBRIDGE DID NOT BEAT EACH OTHER UP. THE NUNS AND STAFF DID PLENTY OF THAT.
INDEED, CHILDREN WOULDN’T HAVE HAD THE TIME TO CARRY ON WITH THE LIKE AS THEY WERE ALWAYS WORKING, WHETHER IT WAS IN THE ROSARY BEAD MAKING FACTORY {FOR HOURS } OR, SOMETIMES, WELL INTO THE NIGHT OR TO FINISH AN ORDER FOR THE LOCAL FACTORY
OTHERWISE,CHILDREN WERE SLAVING AWAY – MAKING BROCHES, GLUING PAPER BAGS FOR SHOPS, OR SEWING POSH LACE ONTO LADIES UNDERWEAR FOR SHOPS OUTSIDE.
WHEN NOT OCCUPIED WITH THE ABOVE WE WERE SCRUBBING, POLISHING, OR WERE GOING HUNGRY AND COLD AND WERE TERRIFIED. THIS WAS LIFE IN GOLDENBRIDGE, AND IF YOU THINK VICTIMS/SURVIVORS WHO GREW UP IN THIS HORRIBLE PLACE ARE ALL VERY ODD. IS IT ANY WONDER!. FROM A VICTIM/SURVIVOR – NOW SADLY DOMICILED IN GB.

COMMENT: 2

“The majority of us did not get an ounce of love. It shows that LOVE has absolutely no idea of the pain we endured”………CHRISTINE BUCKLEY.

COMMENT: 3

CLAIMS that people who were kept in State institutions as children are lying about being abused so they can get compensation are ‘deeply hurtful’, a former orphanage resident said yesterday. A group called, LOVE – which supports the religious who worked in the homes, claims people are making false allegations to win settlements.
Group founder of LOVE says her stay in St Joseph’s Industrial School in Ballinasloe, County Galway, was a positive experience, and she believes there is a witch-hunt against religious orders.
“What we have are people right across the board saying” ˜You back up my allegation and I’ll split the compensation with you”. People are coming up with scars they got accidentally and are saying they were abused” LOVE, said.

However, former Goldenbridge orphanage resident Christine Buckley said the campaign by LOVE was deeply hurtful.
“The majority of us did not get an ounce of love. It shows they have absolutely no idea of the pain we endured.”
Ms Buckley, who spearheads the Aisling Survivors Group, said LOVE is being backed by a very small number of people in the religious orders.
Buckley also criticised a recent Christian Brothers’ statement that denied there was widespread sexual abuse in institutions run by the order.
“If they do not accept it, why did they take out an ad in every single newspaper some years ago expressing their sorrow for the hurt caused to victims of abuse?” she asked.
Buckley believes the majority of victims in institutions endured appalling abuse. “It was for this reason that the Taoiseach apologised, that the Laffoy Commission was established in Ireland, and that similar investigations found abuse in similar institutions run by Irish religious around the world,” she said.
“It is sad that the Christian Brothers are persistently failing to address the pain caused to victims in their institutions,” Ms Buckley said.
© Irish Examiner 2004.

COMMENT: 4
We never said ‘people who were kept in State Institutions were/are lying about abuse to get compensation. What we did say, and we stick to it, was while some of our fellow inmates suffered horrific abuse, there were also those making false or fraudulent allegations motivated by factors such as finiancial gain or revenge for a troubled life.
Is it not as painful for the vast majority of the Religious who tried to compensate us for the failure of others to care for us to now see so many deny their hard work?.
How quickly Ms Buckley seems to have forgotten she was let off chores in order to study for her leaving cert, in a classroom, not a toilet.
How quickly she and others from Goldenbridge have forgotten the holiday house in Rathdrum, the Irish dancing classes, the amimals bought for the childrens amusement etc.
How quickly she has forgotten that Sr Xaveria chose to pay for Christines nurse training in the Medical Missionaries Drougheda, rather than have her train in Dublin. The reason?. Because Christine was coloured, she felt she’d be happier with other coloured nurses. Doesn’t sound like Sr Xaveria was ‘heartless does it?. What more did she want from her. This nun has been treated so cruely it beggers belief.
The fact that the enormous good she did for ‘her girls’is played down so much, and the failures of the system so exaggerated is unjust in the extreme.
As regards LOVE being backed up by a ‘small number of the Religious orders’ is as accurate as Ms Buckleys assertion that Aslinn have 3,000 members. So how accurate is that? .LOVE. HIBERNIAN ANGEL.

COMMENT: 5

LOVE challenge Christine Buckleys (Dear Daughter) Right to Influence NOVA Policy in Excluding certain Survivors.
She has demanded credibility, not earned it’. N.O.V.A state funded National Office FOR VICTIMS of Abuse) Ms. Christine Buckley demanded that NOVA bar anyone Aislinn have difficulty with from NOVA…horrifyingly…NOVA agreed.
As Ms Buckley is an ex-Industrial School pupil, and has treated Sr Xaveria Lally in what we would deem to be a despicable manner (and we’re confident the Ryan Commission will back us up in its investigation of Goldenbridge), NOVA is ill advised to take part in such bullying. We question the credibility of the much hyped Dear Daughter where Ms Buckley spoke of murdered babies etc. LOVE maintain now and always have maintained…Ms Buckley, for obvious reasons has always refused to cooperate with the Gardai when the Sisters of Mercy tried to get her to put her allegations on an official footing for investigation. We maintain that she owes Sr Xaveria one hell of an apology. Sr Xaveria is still alive and kicking. She is now as she always was ..a remarkable woman. And she has to sit back and watch Ms Buckley being trotted out as a campaigner for victims. Why have the Sisters not taken legal action against Ms Buckley? LOVE HIBERNIAN ANGEL

COMMENT: 6

She has definitely mellowed in her twilight years, but the fact is and always will be…Ms Christine Buckley has grossly attacked and damaged the very nun who stood by her when so many others wouldn’t, her hysterical shouting has carried many people with her, and she can’t be allowed go down in history as a campaigner of justice when the campaign is based on sick accusations that have not gained much credibility. We would back the Alliance Victim Support Group in its call that Ms Buckley not be allowed influence the practices of NOVA. LOVE HIBERNIAN ANGEL.

Ms Maria Grogan AP Residential Institutions Redress Unit Department of Education and Science, Marlborough Street, Dublin 1.

25th August 2005

Minutes of the Management Committee National Office dated 7th April 2005

The Alliance Committee are saddened to note the backward step proposed by Ms Buckley at the meeting on the above date towards RECIPROCAL BARRING ARRANGEMENTS /Aislinn/NOVA.
This was previously discussed when the Alliance were on the Managerial Committee and was rejected because of the obvious difficulty of perceived clash of personalities etc.
In any event we would have expected that there should by now be no need for barring anyone. Have we learned anything from the death of Anthony Delaney?
Please try to educate members as to other social mechanisms that can now be used in place of barring and let us remember that we are in support of victims, all victims, no matter what their social standing may be. Tom Hayes, Secretary
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Mercy Sister has been ‘demonised’, Provincial tells Commission.

First published: Friday, March 18th 05

A provincial leader from the Sisters of Mercy has defended the abuse charges laid in a television documentary against a sister who managed an industrial school in the 1940s.
Sr Helena O’Donoghue, provincial leader of the south central province of the Sisters of Mercy congregation, told the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse on Tuesday (15th March) that Sr Xaveria Lally of the Goldenbridge industrial school in Dublin, had been “demonised and vilified” over the past decade. “Serious allegations were accepted in the public domain as fact,” she said. The nun’s denials that children in the industrial school were “abused in a horrific way” had been “almost completely ignored”, she said.
Sr Helena O’Donoghue was heckled as she quoted from Department of Education Inspection Reports, by a number of former inmates of the Goldenbridge school, while members of LOVE – a group supporting “religious of integrity who are innocent of abuse” heckled the former Goldenbridge Inmates. Official reports from the Department of Health were greeted with catcalls of and whitewash”.
“Evidence in the form of photographs of the children playing in the swimming pool at the holiday house, dancing classes, Christmas parties and pantomimes seemed to be remembered by very few,” LOVE, whose members were present at the hearing.
Sr O’ Donoghue noted that, despite Garda investigation of complaints made after the broadcast of the Dear Daughter programme on Goldenbridge in 1996, no criminal charges were brought.
She said that she had no personal knowledge of the school and was relying on written records and the testimonies of third parties. The allegations of child abuse in Dear Daughter “was a source of deep shock to us”, she said, and led to the congregation’s first apology in February 1996, for pain and hurt suffered. The congregation apologised again in May 2004. She accepted that abuses did take place, but denied the most serious of the allegations, especially those made against Sr Xaveria.
“I reiterate those apologies. There were many aspects of Goldenbridge we deeply regret, but there were some serious, extraordinary allegations, especially as regards Sr Xavieria, which we do not, we cannot accept as correct – allegations of extreme physical punishment, starvation, malnourishment, or any child dead due to mistreatment,” she said.
185 children were at Goldenbridge school at any one time, from the with a staff ratio of one to every 30 children twenty four hours a day. There was no training in childcare and a lack of state funding. There was an emphasis on conformity and wide use of corporal punishment. Sr O’Donoghue deeply regretted in particular the use of such punishment on children with bed-wetting problems.
She recalled there had been a small number of sex-abuse complaints, one in particular against a groundsman who was complained of by one of the girls in 1962. Sr Xaveria reported the man to the Gardai, and he was prosecuted and dismissed from his job.
Before the broadcast of Dear Daughter the Mercy Sisters employed a childcare expert to look at complaints who found them “broadly credible”. It had also found that the regime (at Goldenbridge) was inadequate and did not meet the basic needs of the children.
In answer to a request for an opportunity to rebut Sr O’Donoghue’s evidence, Commission Chairman Mr Justice Sean Ryan said Ms Buckley and 30 former residents of Goldenbridge would be allowed to give evidence during the private hearings which begin on Friday 18th March and will continue to 27th April. 2005

COMMENT: 7

My hunch is that it is very very odd with regards the ‘broad credibility’, of the complaints, it has been said that Goldenbridge was referred to as an Industrial School. So yes, rosary beads were made, there were no taps upstairs so some of them did drink from the toilets (it was the 50’s. hygiene wasn’t exactly an issue!), discipline etc had to be rigorous…some of them pulled others down the stairs by their hair, and could use their fists and teeth to a deadly degree. So broad credibility…absolutely. LOVE. HIBERNIAN ANGEL.

Compensation for Residents of State Run Institutions

ABUSE SURVIVOR URGES 100,000 MISSING IRISH CLAIMANTS TO COME FORWARD

CUT OFF POINT FOR CLAIMS EXPIRES 2005

A worldwide campaign has been launched to locate some 100,000 Irish people who went through State Institutions in Ireland. Children who suffered abuse may now be entitled to compensation and education grants as survivors of abuse.
The search for survivors is taking place in the United Kingdom, United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Approximately 150,000-plus children and teenagers went through residential institutions in Ireland between the 1920s and the 1980s. Many of these experienced abuse at the hands of religious and others while in orphanages, industrial schools and centres for young offenders.
The closing off point for applications to the Residential Institutions Redress Board will come about in December 2005.
It is estimated that as many as 100,000 of those, who went through 100 such institutions, fled Ireland and went abroad. But of these, only a proportion appear to be aware of the Residential Institutions Redress Board which has been set up by the State to compensate and assist people who were abused in institutions.
To date the board has received just 5,077 applications in total, most of which are from the Republic of Ireland. The awards made by the Board range in value from CAD$18,149.26 to CAD$340,336.74. The average award is CAD$141,129.22.
Ms Christine Buckley of Aislinn is leading the campaign to alert survivors of abuse to the existence of the Redress Board. Aislinn is one of the foremost leaders in the campaign in Ireland which led to the Irish Prime Minister’s apology to victims, the establishment of the Residential Institutions Redress Board, the Child Abuse Commission, which is investigating the abuse suffered in institutions and nationwide counselling.
“Aislinn receives some calls from around the world, including Canada, from people who are vaguely aware that there is a Redress Board. There needs to be a much greater level of awareness and this campaign is an attempt to connect with survivors and to make them aware of their right to counselling, education, compensation and assistance in tracing their records,” Ms Buckley said.
Ms Buckley has been critical of the Irish Government’s failure to put resources into notifying survivors in the US and Australia. This has led to her travelling to many international centres to raise awareness of the Redress Board.
Ms Buckley was put into care at three weeks of age. At four years old she was sent to the notorious Goldenbridge Industrial School, which was run by the Sisters of Mercy in Dublin. Whilst there from 1950 to 1964, she suffered severe physical abuse.
Many of the victims who fled Ireland once they were old enough to do so ended up in difficult circumstances. Because they were denied an education, many cannot read or write and may be unaware that there is a compensation process in Ireland. Hopefully through radio and television publicity, these people will be aware of what is happening in Ireland and will get applications in before the closing date.
Aislinn was set up in 1999 by Ms Christine Buckley and Ms Carmel McDonnell-Byrne, both victims of institutional abuse in Goldenbridge. Aislinn has been heavily involved in lobbying the Government and religious orders to receive compensation for its members. Aislinn is both an education and counselling centre and has assisted over 4,000 people since its inception. Its many services include literacy classes, intervening with the government on behalf of survivors and helping victims trace their parents and families.
A call save number ( 617-737-9969 ) has been established in America and Canada for abuse survivors to leave their details in strictest confidence. Callers will be contacted and provided with legal advice and assistance with the application process.

Defending Sr. Xaveria

Sir, “as a child, having grown up in the care of Sr. Xavieria at St. Kyran’s, Rathdrum, Co. Wicklow, I feel I just have to speak out on her behalf. My experience of Sr. Xavieria would be very different to that of Ms. Christine Buckley and “inmates” of the Goldenbridge orphanage. I spent 13 years of my life under the care of Sr. Xaveria whom to my memory, put all her energy, love and kindness into preparing kids just like myself for what was lo become a much more harsh reality in the world outside. The one thing people seemed to have missed throughout all this damaging coverage was the continuous aftercare she so unselfishly gave to all or any of us who needed help, emotionally or financially, or, even just to pick up the phone when life got too much, and one could always be sure of a reassuring, caring, concerned voice at the other end.
Even after Xaveria retired I could honestly say that at any time I rang, especially if I had troubles, she never once hesitated, but was always eager to help, no matter how big the problem was.
I am not for one moment justifying what happened at Goldenbridge, but I do feel as a person who knew Xaveria extremely well that the coverage was most unfair and unbalanced and that she should have had to answer for so many lay staff, teachers, the State, the Department of Education. These people were as wholly responsible at that time for the welfare of children themselves, it is my belief that Sr. Xavieria was used as a shield for all of these people who have not come forward on her behalf. I would dearly love to know where they all are now. Also, how dare Kale Cruise O’Brien refer to Xaveria as “a frail old thing” now? I can accept criticism, but I found this statement most hurtful after all the damage that has been already done. Perhaps if she knew this nun as I do she would think twice about what she is saying.
Does she not realise the hurt and pain not only lo Xaveria but also to her family, who incidentally, also gave up their lives to work with people on the missions, has had to deal with throughout all of this damaging coverage.
Is it not now time to focus on all the good that this person has done for all the years of her life? I know I am sure there are many past pupils from St. Kyran’s who would welcome some very positive views of St. Xaveria. HILDA ANN BROPHY Dun Laoghaire, Co. Dublin

Freedom of Angels Childhood in Goldenbridge Orphanage

by Bernadette Fahy

‘I entered Goldenbridge orphanage in my Communion outfit. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing there.’
At age seven, Bernadette Fahy was delivered with her three brothers to Goldenbridge Orphanage. She was to stay there until she was sixteen.
Goldenbridge has come to represent some of the worst aspects of childrearing practices in Ireland of the 1950s and 1960s. Seen as the offspring of people who had strayed from social respectability and religious standards, these children were made to pay for the ‘sins’ of their parents. Bernadette tells of the pain, fear, hunger, hard labour and isolation experienced in the orphanage.
Can a person recover from such a childhood? How does the spirit ever take flight — and gain the ‘freedom of angels’?
This is Bernadette Fahy’s concern. Now trained and working as a counsellor, she has had to dig deeply into her past to understand the patterns laid down by her upbringing. She has had to rebuild her life, and now she helps others to do the same.
This book is a story of triumph over the harshest of circumstances.

COMMENT: 8

Book reveals harrowing life of abuse in orphanage.

by Jim Morahan

A GENERATION ago, children at the Goldenbridge Orphanage were victims of a reign of terror.
Now as adults, their stories are finally being told.
Bernadette Fahy, 44, was taken to the Dublin institution just before her seventh birthday — still dressed in her First Communion outfit. Her just-published account, “Freedom of Angels”, chronicles ten harrowing years in the Sisters of Mercy orpahnage— and the uphill struggle of later life.
It’s a story of survival against the odds, and of the scarcely credible cruelty meted out to her, members of her incarcerated siblings and many others.
But it also contains more than a glimmer of hope.
Today, Ms Fahy holds a Master’s degree in counselling psychology and works in private practice, frequently helping people who have also been in institutional care.
Ms Fahy champions calls for an inquiry into abuse in the Irish childcare system and for recognition of the victims.
In recent weeks, a sense of the brutality of institutional care has rocked the country with the television documentary “States of Fear”, to which she contributed.
Goldenbridge also featured in the earlier programme, “Dear Daughter”.
“Writing this book meant that I had to revisit the archives of my childhood, a place that for too long held personal and State secrets that were too big for me,” Ms Fahy said at the launch of the book last night.
She was delivered to Goldenbridge on the afternoon of June 5, 1961, with her twin Michael, another younger brother, and brother Christopher, who was 16 months old.
They found themselves in the orphanage because their father had recently walked out to return to his other family, real wife and legitimate children “and her own mother couldn’t cope.
“One of the few things we could call our own was our identity number, mine was 138. I never felt comfortable responding to it,” she writes.
“It was a demeaning, cruel but effective way to help us lose their identities. As a result, some of the very young children didn’t even know their names.”
“Freedom of Angels” publisher Michael O’Brien of the O’ Brien Press, said his son Ferdia was six, about the same age as Ms Fahy when she entered Goldenbridge.
“I shudder with fear when I think that this could have been my little boy or even me,” he said.
Pleading with Education Minister Micheal Martin, who attended the book launch, Ms Fahy said: “We are a group of people whose trust has been betrayed. It isn’t easy to let go of the fear that we might once again be forgotten.”
When the Goldenbridge support group recently met the minister, they asked for recognition.
“Minister, we want you to believe that these things happened to us,” they said.

COMMENT: 9

A number of allegations were made in this book which our members of LOVE from Goldenbridge say was not their experience. The use of numbers was for identification of each persons clothes when being sent to the laundry to ensure they wouldn’t get lost. They claim the use of the numbers to identify each child was laughable. LOVE HIBERNIAN ANGEL.

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 Nuns – reject new TV3 sex abuse claims

The Congregation of the Sisters of Mercy says it is to take legal action against TV3 over allegations of sexual and physical abuse levelled at the order in a documentary screened last night.
The programme, part of the station’s ’20/20: Stolen Lives’ series, featured an extensive interview with Philomena Byrne who spent her childhood in an industrial school run by the order in the 1950s and 1960s.
The programme was produced and directed by Louis Lentin, who previously made the award-winning documentary ‘Dear Daughter’ about the regime of brutality presided over by the order at the Goldenbridge orphanage.
In the TV3 programme, a visibly distressed Ms Byrne detailed what she claimed was extreme physical and psychological cruelty at the hands of the nuns. She also alleged that she was taken from her bed by the nuns and forced to perform sexual acts on a priest and local men.
The Sisters of Mercy rejected the claims made in the programme – among the most serious to emerge in recent years – and confirmed that they would be applying to the High Court today.
“The Sisters of Mercy are asking the High Court to declare that TV3 are violating their statutory duty by broadcasting a programme which is wholly unfair and unbalanced,” according to a statement released by the order.
“No independent evidence is offered to substantiate the claims of sexual abuse made in this interview. Many of the people who worked in the industrial school while the interviewee was a resident are still alive. They will be deeply hurt by this programme. They were not approached by TV3 or the programme maker”.
However, the station hit back, claiming that the nuns had been offered a right to reply and turned it down. Director Louis Lentin added that he stood by “every word” of the programme.
It is understood that the order is also to be sued by former residents of the orphanage, including Ms Byrne, and a Garda investigation has been underway for a number of months

COMMENT: 10

It would appear that the director of this film would be very foolish to stand by ‘every word’ in this documentary. There was no substantiation ever received for the ridiculous allegations made, amongst which Ms Byrne claimed the children used to be forced to eat lice from each others hair!. Did Mr Lentin also stand by ‘every word ‘in the Dear Daughter Documentary I wonder.
One of the most controversial allegations in “Dear Daughter “was that a girl was locked in a furnace for three days. The room she was locked in by a care worker, according to the girls own sister hadn’t been used for years for heating purposes, and it was for the duration of mass….beware of half truths, you might get the wrong half. Must try to find out how Mr Lenten and the others got on in court. Surely the allegations must be substantiated before being presented to the public as fact ?.
A look at the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse on our links page for the transcripts of the Goldenbridge transcript will prove very interesting. But personally I can’t wait to hear what was said in the confidential hearing when Judge Ryan publishes his findings….wonder how the allegations in DEAR DAUGHTER will fare!. LOVE HIBERNIAN ANGEL.

Victims’ groups want compo for those aged 50+

By Catherine Shanahan

SUPPORT groups representing victims of institutional abuse want a €10,000 interim compensation payment to be made to survivors over the age of 50.
The payment is currently proposed for victims who are elderly and infirm, with a lower age limit of 65 suggested last year by the Government.
However, with the work of a new compensation scheme for survivors due to begin today, the Aislinn Centre, which represents hundreds of victims, has called for an easing of age restrictions on applications for the award.
Spokeswoman Christine Buckley said she feared the Government planned to up the interim payment age limit to 70.
“I heard as much in a meeting with legal representatives last week. That is not acceptable, given the difficult lives many of our survivors have had. Life has not been good to many of them, marriages have broken up, health failed and huge numbers are homeless.
“Up to 80 have died since the Government first apologised to victims in May 1999, 20 by their own hand. Also I believe that the Residential Institutions Redress Board (RIRB) will not be able to hear all abuse cases within its three-year time frame. This strengthens the case for the interim payment to be extended.”
The RIRB, set up by the Oireachtas following the Government’s apology to victims, will decide on compensation levels for those sexually, physically, or emotionally abused or neglected while in residential institutions.
Judge Kieran O’Connor, chairperson of the board, said compensation will be assessed on the basis of a scheme worked out by a committee of experts. The upper limit is in the region of €300,000. The scheme also covers legal costs of the claimant.
Application forms will be sent out to survivors from today, which they must forward to the board if they wish to claim.
However Ms Buckley said there was no guarantee they would reach all survivors.
“There are some elderly women still residing in institutions we knew as the Magdalene Laundries. How do we know the application forms will reach them? Have they been made aware of their entitlements? My concern is for these women and others in prison or in psychiatric care.”
SOCA (Survivors of Child Abuse) spokesman John Kelly criticised the board for its delay in setting up.
“It was meant to be up and running in June. All they are doing today is sending out application forms, to give the perception that the whole thing is moving ahead. It’s a smokescreen.”
Mr Kelly said they would be seeking an urgent meeting with Education Minister Noel Dempsey to clarify the names of institutions covered by redress. A list of institutions was published as part of the Residential Institutions Redress Act 2001. However, the Minister has said names of institutions where the State had an inspection or regulatory function should also be included. ………………………………Irish Examiner 2002

COMMENT 11

Was this attitude not taking a lot for granted, that the claimants would receive payment without having to give evidence…that all allegations were true? We now know that all who claim from the Institutions, because of the broad definition of abuse allowed for the claims will receive a payout, perhaps not as much as they would wish if they exaggerate their claim and can’t back up the allegations but they will receive some money.
LOVE HIBERNIAN ANGEL.

‘Brave and positive step towards healing’

Thursday May 6th 2004

THE three members of the leadership team of the Mercy Sisters who appeared before the press yesterday to read out their latest statement of apology to abuse victims were visibly nervous and ill-at-ease.
One reason was surely the difficult subject matter they were there to discuss. A second reason, presumably, was that these ladies would never have imagined themselves having to appear before a phalanx of cameras and reporters when they first entered their Order all those years ago. Such are the vagaries of life.
Perhaps the chief reason however was that they had no idea how victims would react to their statement. Would they welcome it, or reject it, or something in between?
Happily for them, they have broadly welcomed it. The words of Christine Buckley of the Aislinn Centre, a group supporting abuse victims, will especially have been music to their ears.
She said the apology was a “very brave and positive step towards healing”, and that victims who had contacted her through the day were “overjoyed.”
One woman described it as “the best day of my life.” The reason Christine Buckley’s reaction is so important is that she was the person who first brought to light the abuses that took place in Mercy Sister-run institutions. Eight years ago RTE broadcast Dear Daughter, a drama/documentary focussing on Christine and a number of her fellow residents and their account of what befell them while resident in Goldenbridge orphanage.
One nun alleged to have inflicted abuse was Sr Xavieria who ran the institution in Buckley’s day. Sr Xaveria, who denied the allegations of serious abuse, had her defenders, but she was only one of a number of nuns who were alleged to have emotionally or physically abused those in their care.
For her part, Christine Buckley became the symbol of all those abused by nuns down the years and so her reaction to yesterday’s statement was absolutely crucial. Had she rejected it, it would have devastated the Mercy Sisters. That she has accepted it may now provide a way forward for both the Congregation and the victims.
The latest apology by the Sisters was really a bolt from the blue. Most other statements of this sort by Church organisations had usually come as a result of intense public and media pressure. This one emerged following a long period of consultation within the Order.
The leadership team of the Mercy Sisters, led by Sr Breege O’Neill, were well aware that their previous apology, issued in 1996, had not been favourably received by victim groups. Although it did not deny that abuses had taken place, and both apologised and sought forgiveness from the victims, just as this one did, it also offered a partial defence of the record of the Mercy Sisters making the apology seem equivocal and conditional to some.
That is why yesterday’s apology was issued. It was aimed at clearing up any such misunderstanding and that is how it has been received in the main.
What now? First of all, victims will be anxious to discover what will happen when they take up the invitation of the Congregation to contact them. Will a given victim be put in direct, face-to-face contact with her abuser, for example?
To be fair here we must say alleged or otherwise because some nuns strongly deny that they ever abused anyone. Be that as it may, should such face-to-face meetings take place, will victims derive some satisfaction from them?
Will Christine Buckley meet Sr Xavieria, now called Sr Maura? If so, what will the outcome to this be? Also, what will happen with regard to the Investigative Committee of the Ryan/Laffoy Commission? Both Christine Buckley and John Kelly of Survivors of Child Abuse (SOCA) have stressed the importance of this matter.
A continual complaint of victim groups is that the 18 Congregations that ran the country’s residential institutions have taken an adversarial approach to them at the Commission, fighting every allegation every inch of the way.
This is a tough one. If a member of a given Order insists that he or she is innocent then the Order has little choice but to fight for that person’s good name.
That is necessarily adversarial. On the other hand, does every allegation need to be tested to the utmost? Are there no priests, brothers or nuns willing to put their hands up and admit to the abuses they carried out?
If not, then the Orders will have no power to force them to do so. As citizens they have their civil rights and these are not nullified as a result of being a member of a Religious Order.
However, this is for the future. Yesterday was a good day for the Sisters of Mercy and those who suffered while in their care. As Christine Buckley put it, it was “a positive step towards healing.”………………………………………………………………………………… David Quinn © Irish Independent

COMMENT 12

What I want to know is when is Ms Buckley going to apologise?. Sr Xavieria was given no chance to defend herself before the release of Dear Daughter. When she came out in Prime Time with a number of ex-inmates to defend her, the programme was called a ‘whitewash’. So Dear Daughter was what really happened, the Prime Time programme was a ‘whitewash’?. Yet the D.D. had only trial by numbers, no hard evidence?. hats justice for you.
Another fact that interests me greatly is why Ms Buckley didn’t meet Sr Xaveria…she’s only at the end of the phone. Why did she not take the case to court…surely if a documentary could be produced as fact, that same fact would be enough to receive substantial compensation?.
Why is the attitude of the Mercy Sisters deemed ‘adversarial’…have they not a duty to tell the truth?. If one of their members have abused, they can’t hide that fact, but they also can’t make someone say they abused if they maintain they are innocent. A court of law is the only place this can be proven, and to my knowledge not one single Sister of Mercy has been yet convicted of child abuse. The Ryan Commission is where the facts are examined, with hard evidence from the State departments. See the transcript for Goldenbridge on our links page…it certainly calls into question a story that has been repeated so often its accepted totally unjustly as fact. LOVE. HIBERNIAN ANGEL

Winning Redress for Abuse in Care

A woman from Addiscombe, England could receive up to £200,000 in compensation from the Irish Government for her suffering in a Catholic church-run orphanage.
The Residential Institutions Redress Board (RIRB) offered Breda Doolin £20,000 compensation for the abuse she suffered in the Summerhill Sister of Mercy convent in Athlone, County Westmeath an offer she rejected. She has now been told to expect a sum closer to £200,000.
Breda, now 69, lost the sight in one eye following an incident when she was 10 when a nun pushed her, face-down, into a mattress containing pins. She never received medical attention for the injury.
Breda says she, one of her sisters and two of her brothers were bundled into a car by representatives from the Catholic church when she was six.
>From the age of six to 16, Breda suffered systematic violence. She says: “My mother was chasing the car down the road but she couldn’t catch up.
“After my father died she had a feeling the church might take us younger children away because she couldn’t cope.
“You would get a beating most days but the worst was when I hurt my eye. I had been stuffing a mattress and there were pins sticking out of it. I stopped for a break and a nun pushed my face down on to it and a needle went into my eye.
“My sister was beaten so badly that she lost the hearing in one of her ears and both of my brothers were admitted to mental institutions after they were released from their homes. One of them died while in hospital and the other one is still there now.”
Breda left the convent at 16 and came to this country, eventually becoming a nurse.
She applied for compensation two years ago and, although she rejected the initial £20,000 offer, the RIRB has paid for her to undergo counselling and has funded education for her and her children.
Breda also attends regular meetings of the Irish Survivors’ Group, a support network of abuse victims, which has helped her to come to terms with her childhood.
She added: “Despite what they did to me I will never let them ruin my life. I used to be very angry but now I talk to others about my experience.
“Everyone who suffered in the Irish state institution system should take advantage of the help that’s available because it helps to meet others like you.”

COMMENT 13

Victims have until December 15 to apply for compensation. Call Irish-based organisation AiSLINN
Why is Aislinn naming Summerhill, as a place of abuse, and how is anyone to establish the veracity of this story?. At the very least this is breaking the confidentiality rule in the RIRB Act. At worst they’ve blackened the name of Summerhill with no recourse to justice whatsoever for the Sisters of Mercy LOVE HIBERNIAN ANGEL

COMMENT 14

Oh for crying out loud!.Where did this ‘

Viscountess Geraldine Jackson “Sisters of no Mercy”

The News of the World

April 24, 2005
SECTION: EXCLUSIVE
LENGTH: 693 words
HEADLINE: SISTERS OF NO MERCY

BYLINE: Danny Conlon
BODY:
Nuns tortured us, says rags-to-riches Viscountess.

A VISCOUNTESS has broken her lifelong silence over her “hell on earth” as a destitute Irish tot in a Sisters of Mercy school.
Geraldine Jackson hid her traumatic secret until the demons of her past wrecked her rags-to-riches marriage to Viscount Patrick Brocas.
But she has now vowed to tell all as part of a pledge to help fellow victims of Dublin’s Goldenbridge Industrial School .
Tearful Geraldine, who was just six when a court ripped her from her family, said: “I thought Goldenbridge would be full of fairies because of the beautiful name but it was full of monsters.
Beaten
“It was hell on earth. I never thought I would survive the nightmare.”
Geraldine ( shudders as she recalls how she was: THRASHED on her first day for crying and BEATEN with brooms for minor misdemeanours.
FORCED to drink from the toilet because the 185 schoolgirls had no access to water taps.
HIT so hard by brutal head honcho Sister Xaveria (far right) her front teeth were knocked out.
WORKED to the bone until three in the morning in a factory making Rosary beads.
Then spent freezing nights HUDDLED beneath a single blanket in the cold dorms.
Geraldine, now 58, said: “They beat us constantly and I never slept one proper night in ten years because of my fear of Sister Xaviera.”
The day she turned 16, Geraldine fled the country. “I just wanted to be as far away as possible from the terrible memories,” she said. “I had lost all contact with my brothers and even my sister, who was at Goldenbridge, had become a stranger.”
After moving to England, she met her husband-to-be while out sailing. “He was very dashing,” sighed Geraldine. “But I made it a point never to tell him of my past.”
So when the pair wed in 1971, Viscount Brocas knew nothing of the day in 1952 when gardai and a priest stormed Geraldine’s home.
Trembling, she recalled: “My mother, sister, two brothers and I moved from Roscrea, Co Tipperary, to our grandparents in Dublin because my father was away.
“Then within a few months my granddad passed away and my mother soon followed.
Then the priest and gardai came…”
After a judge ruled they were destitute, Geraldine, six, and Pauline, four, were sent to Goldenbridge. Brothers Christopher, two, and 10-month-old Patrick went to an Industrial School in Kilkenny.
After becoming Viscountess Brocas, Geraldine gave birth to Bella, now 37, and Justin, 32. But demons still plagued her and in 1986 she got divorced.
It was not until 1999 that Geraldine, who keeps the title of Viscountess, faced her fears. “I went to Ireland but had to be helped off the ferry because it all came flooding back,” she said.
That help came from SOCA- Survivors Of Child Abuse-who run Avoca House in Dublin, where victims can spend time.
It was SOCA who kept Geraldine together when she discovered that her father had tried to get his kids back, but been refused.
“I felt enormous guilt because all this time I thought he never loved me and now it is too late because he is dead,” said Geraldine.
SOCA also helped Geraldine get in touch with her sister Pauline, although the pair have not yet contacted their brothers.
Fight
Geraldine, who now intends to move back to Ireland, said: “Without SOCA helping me I would never have got this far.”
She is spearheading the group’s fight to get funds from the government and Catholic Church. “My aim is to help people who suffered in the same way as me,” she said.
So far around 1,000 victims have contacted Avoca House, with 200 staying for a while.
Many, like Geraldine, have been in Dublin to speak at the ongoing Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse.
Sister Xaviera, now 88, has never been convicted of any offence and denies serious abuse.
But she has said sorry for allowing corporal punishment at Goldenbridge to get out of hand-and Geraldine has accepted her apology.
“What these nuns did was terrible,” she said. “But it’s the government, the courts and the church hierarchy who are the really guilty people.”
Viscountess Geraldine Jackson and Goldenbridge.

COMMENT 15

Gosh!, I read the story in last weeks Sunday paper about Viscountess Geraldine Jackson and her horrific time in Goldenbridge, Dublin. When I was there, there was an alter-ego of hers there too called Geraldine Jackson who….
1 Didn’t work in a Rosary Beads factory until 3am  “we usually finished in the Bead Room 2 or 3 hours after starting, we started at 4pm. So even the slowest would be finished by 7.30pm, and that would also include our tea break.
2 Didn’t abscond from Goldenbridge at 16 years old in terror – but was placed in nurse training in St Ultans Hospital. (By Sr Xaveria)
3 Possibly did drink from a toilet bowl (I know I didn’t, especially in the yard where there was a tap!). I do know some of the residents might have at night time as we didn’t have sinks upstairs :they must have had very long necks“ the bowls were the old fashioned very high ones. Flushing got water for some. (Don’t forget tho’, in those days we wouldn’t have seen that as unhygienic!)
4 Possibly did have teeth taken out by the dentist, like the rest of us” out of necessity. I see the poor viscountess had hers “yanked out” needlessly?
5 Wasn’t kept in a state of starvation permanently, but like the rest of us“ was always “starving” especially before meal times! (There’s a big difference)
6 Is perfectly aware that Sr Xaveria always had the toddlers in the nursery running after her when she walked in. She’d hand them sweets, pat them on their little heads, and they’d run after her pulling at her habit. Wonder if they’re related? LOVE HIBERNIAN ANGEL

Benefactor of Goldenbridge 1950 -1965

I knew Xaveria Lally, the nun who ran Goldenbridge. The person who took away her good name in the “Dear Daughter” documentary needs to answer a few questions.
a) Why does she claim her education was neglected, yet she was one of the few from her group to go out to primary school, get a secondary education, and have her nurse training paid for by Xaveria. And, as a 9 year old child, is supposed to have written to the newspaper.
b) The Rosary bead making: The Industrial School System, brought in by the British Government was kept on by the Irish Government, even after Britain got rid of theirs. On grants of less than £4 per child per week, the Religious Orders had to feed, clothe and educate the children. Build and repair the schools, pay for heating, electricity etc.
The Industrial School System was deemed a suitable way of keeping the children occupied, and helping finance the schools. The Religious had no choice “what else could they have done?
Yet Xaveria Lally, who actually abolished the practice in Goldenbridge when the state increased funding, gets blamed for the system. If it was a Rosary beads factory that forced children to work until their “thumbs and fingers were raw”. Why did children often return after tea to help their friends finish their quota” and have a chat?
c) Why were the animals e.g. Jenny the Monkey, and the donkey, bought for the children to play with, never mentioned?
d) Why was the holiday home in Wicklow that Xaveria paid for never mentioned?
e) Why do photos exist of well dressed, plump, happy children playing? I believe the cloth for the clothes was bought in Clery’s and Frawley’s and made by the nuns. If this is so, why did this person allege starvation, continual beatings and “a reign of terror” against Xaveria? They look happy well fed and well dressed.
f) Why would Sr Xaveria help so many of her pupils by sending them to live with her relatives in England, while they found their footing there? Why would she help pay their bills, wedding expenses, find them jobs, write to and visit them in prison, worry about them” especially now as so many are claiming compensation “they would contact her. They’re claiming compensation against Sr Xaveria Lally and she’s worrying about their welfare! Could this person answer any of these questions? I’ll have more at a later date Benefactor of Goldenbridge 1950-65

COMMENT 16

GOLDENBRIDGE – THREE UNUSUAL CASES

1) DEATH OF BABY AT GOLDENBRIDGE
Dail Eireann – Volume 481 – 21 October, 1997

Mr. Neville

35. Mr. Neville asked the Minister for Justice,
Equality and Law Reform if he will have investigations made into the alleged abuse of a child at Goldenbridge Orphanage which may have resulted in her death.
Minister of State at the Department of Justice,
Equality and Law Reform (Miss M. Wallace): The
Minister has been informed by the Garda authorities that a comprehensive investigation was carried out into allegations of child abuse at Goldenbridge Orphanage and the death of a child there. A file in the matter was forwarded to the Director of Public Prosecutions who directed that there should not be a prosecution against any person mentioned in the file.
2) HIGH COURT REJECTS ORPHANAGE ABUSE ACTION

22 June 2001 RTE News

A 69-year-old woman who has claimed that she was physically abused as a child at a Sisters of Mercy-run orphanage cannot sue for damages, the High Court ruled today. Ellen Kelly, who lived in the Goldenbridge orphanage from 1934 to 1947, has claimed that she has since suffered three nervous breakdowns. Mr Justice Peter Kelly ruled that the case should not proceed because the delay was both inordinate and inexcusable.
His decision could have implications for other former residents of the orphanage who are contemplating legal proceedings against the order.
The mother of nine from Dublin claimed that she was subjected to beatings with a large bunch of keys and a leather strap. She claimed that Sister Xaviera sometimes placed her in solitary confinement and deprived her of food and sustenance. She said that she was stripped of her clothes, had her hair shorn and was forced to wear rags. The nuns regularly told her that both she and her family were “bad,” according to Mrs Kelly. She claimed that she suffered three nervous breakdowns as a result of the alleged abuse, which occurred mainly between 1936 and 1947. Mrs Kelly claimed that she began to recall her past when she began counselling in 1997.
The High Court heard that Sister Xaviera remembered Mrs Kelly but totally rejected her allegations. Sister Xaviera did not enter Goldenbridge until 1942. The Sisters of Mercy have brought a High Court application to prevent Mrs Kelly’s action for damages from continuing. The order said that there had been an unprecedented delay in bringing the actions and all
the witnesses who might have been called to give
evidence were dead, except for Sister Xaviera, who is now 82-years-old.
This is the first time that an Irish court has been
asked to deal with an application of this type with
such a delay between the alleged acts and the start of proceedings. Mr Justice Peter Kelly ruled that the delay was both inordinate and inexcusable. He said that there was a “clear and patent unfairness” in asking the accused to defend this action after the lapse of time involved, which totalled over 60 years in some incidences. He said that to allow the action to go on would “put justice to the hazard”.
3) WOMAN CLAIMS ABUSE AT GOLDENBRIDGE

The Irish Times (22 June 2004)

A woman has claimed before the High Court that, as a child, she was abused first in Goldenbridge industrial school and then by her father and stepmother after she was wrongly taken from Goldenbridge by him.
In judicial review proceedings, she is seeking a
declaration that the abuse by her father and
stepmother should form part of an award of
compensation to her by the Residential Institutions
Redress Board (RIRB).
Mr David McGrath SC, for the woman, told Mr Justice O’ Higgins yesterday that his client, now aged 62, was detained in Goldenbridge by a District Court order made in March 1949.
The detention order was made on the basis that she did not have a home. Mr McGrath argued that the woman, being the subject of a care order, should not have been released to her father in 1952.
Mr Justice O’Higgins gave the woman leave to seek, by way of judicial review, an order quashing the RIRB decision to award her €70,000 compensation. The woman is seeking a declaration that she is entitled to 200,000. In an affidavit, the woman alleged she was abused by staff at Goldenbridge. She claimed she was taken from the school three years later by her father and brought to England to live with him and her stepmother. She claimed both had physically and sexually abused her. In March this year, she began to give evidence to the RIRB in support of her claim for an award under the Residential Institutions Redress Act 2002. Although the function of the board was to conduct a hearing as informally as possible, her experience was that the hearing was anything but informal.
She believed the practice of the board was to strictly adhere to many of the Rules of Evidence and no leeway was given with regard to an applicant who might be nervous, embarrassed or simply forgetful.
When she reached that aspect of her case in which she alleged she had been sexually abused by her father, having been removed from the school without the District Court’s consent, the RIRB chairman, Mr Justice Sean O’Leary, had interrupted and said: “Well, we don’t need to know the details at all, other than general, that it was of a severe kind, included penetration, and it lasted.”
She said that Mr McGrath, who had represented her at the hearing, had argued she was entitled under the 2002 Act to an award for the abuse she suffered at the hands of her father and stepmother on the basis that she was removed illegally from the school and because nothing was done to take her back into the nuns’ care.
The woman alleged Mr Justice O’Leary had ruled the abuse by the father and stepmother was not abuse within the meaning of the legislation and that the nuns did not act unreasonably in discharging her to her father.
She estimated that if the abuse suffered at the hands of her father and stepmother were included in the redress calculations, it would have equated to an award of €200,000. Under the 2002 Act, the
RIRB’s primary function was to “make awards…which are fair and reasonable having regard to the unique circumstances of each applicant”.
She had been awarded 70,000 and travelling
expenses and she believed the awards made by the board were consistently lower than the courts would award.

Goldenbridge Disgraced in Ryan Commission.

“Denials, memory loss, cover up and intimidation disgraced Goldenbridge Orphanage in the Ryan Commission today” states Florence Horsman Hogan of the “Let Our Voices Emerge” charity.
While Sr Helene O’Donoghue displayed Department of Education Inspection Reports ” about seven of the ex Goldenbridge Inmates (of the hundreds who supposedly suffered there at the hands of the demonised Sr Xaveria!) heckled, and intimidated. Official reports from the Department of Health were greeted with catcalls of “lies” and “whitewash” Reports of the care in the institution under the care of Sr Xaveria (and others) being “good”to “excellent” were greeted with claims of “not while “I was there” “crazy” and ‘rubbish.”
Evidence in the form of photographs of the children playing in the swimming pool at the holiday house, dancing classes, Christmas parties and pantomimes seemed to be remembered by very few “the seven went quiet for that one. Evidence of one carer to thirty children, and if that carer was a teacher – having to work in the school as well were sniggered and jeered at.
Yep! Goldenbridge was disgraced “but not by the Sisters of Mercy! and certainly not by Sr Xaveria. I can only hope the woman lives long enough to see her public exoneration ” will it be as public as her demonisation in “Dear Daughter?
Ms C Buckley”s legal counsel (why he was there I don’t know, it wasn’t a court case on her “was it?) made quite a moving attempt on her behalf to ensure that the Ryan Commission gave her a chance to cross examine a “certain party” in a public hearing, as it was felt the Sisters of Mercy’s denial of the abuse alleged was in some way a reflection on her. The poor man could have saved himself the time and trouble. It’s my information a “certain party” deeply desires a meeting but so far hasn’t been granted one.
The full truth must be told, and we rely on our excellent media sources to tell it. NDEED – WE DO!…….. FROM:  HIBERNIAN ANGEL.

COMMENT  17

Goldenbridge Orphanage and the Ryan Commission 15,16th March

In 1996 “the documentary “Dear Daughter” was broadcast. In it, it was claimed children from Goldenbridge Industrial School were subject to

terror and cruelty that destroyed their lives. The Sister of Mercy who managed the home at the time, Sr Xaveria Lally, was accused of acts of unspeakable cruelty.
Among the allegations:-

Children dressed in rags.

Babies strapped to potties for so long, their rectums prolapsed.

Forced to drink water from an outdoor toilet (bawl!)

Forced to work in a Rosary Beads factory for hours, until their fingers bled.

A girl thrown into a furnace for three days.
Identified by serial numbers  to deprive them of their identities.

Many more allegations were made each one more horrific than the last. While we can’t speak for all of them we can certainly rely on the Ryan

Commission to deal with some of the more major ones.

Goldenbridge “Ryan Commission to inquire into Child Abuse. Tuesday 15th, Wednesday 16th March at 10:30 am.
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 #95 2006-12-10 01:06:23 Setanta

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Statement 11 == [LIES AND FALSE ALLEGATIONS OF CHILD ABUSE MADE BY CHILDREN FROM SAINT JOSEPHS ORPHANAGE KILKENNY CITY IRELAND.]

“To be fair” , I submit that you people in the named pressure groups listed above, are not being fair.

Is this to be another payout without question, by another Biased, Unfair, Unconstitutional, Secretive, and Crooked agency of the Irish State, (The Residential Institutions Redress Board) for all those who claim to be victims/survivors, who allege that they suffered abuse while they were resident in Irish State run institutions ?

These unfair payouts encourage unscrupulous applicants/victims/survivors to lie, and make false, and unfounded statements, while claiming redress.

This is robbery, and also destroys innocent Families, men, women, and children.

There is no justice in a one sided payout without any defense.

You people can name who you like, get paid for it, and get away with it.

Setanta.

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 #96 2006-12-10 16:01:11 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin
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COMMENT; 1

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RE-IGNITE, RE-IGNITE, RE-IGNITE, RE-IGNITE, RE-IGNITE, RE-IGNITE, RE-IGNITE, RE-IGNITE, RE-IGNITE, PETER TYRRELL’S FIRE, RORY CONNOR!

COMMENT 2

THE DE LA SILLY “SPY EXPEDITION “, led by Auric Rory accompanied by “ODDJOB” has, like Scott of the Antartic, felt the “cold” of mission impossible. Fresh from his failure in London, the good Rory, in Litvenenko fashion, and still GLOWING as he arrived back in Dublin facing the SPECTRE of “explaining” to his “handlers” , of WHY he failed, at the debrief was MOST humiliating. Rory, unaware that THE NAGS HEAD he sought, was still FIRMLY ATTACHED TO THE SHOULDERS OF LOVE, while he perambulated wildly and uncontrolled in the strange environs of North London. Armed only with the PLACARD he was carrying – held high into the air, the legend screamed for ALL TO READ, I AM RORY CONNOR, EX DE LA SILLY Christian Brother, and I am here in London seeking INFORMATION ON PETER TYRRELL, THIS MAN TYRRELL HAS HAD A BOOK PUBLISHED – CALLED “FOUNDED ON FEAR” AND I AM HERE TO PROVE – LIKE ALL THE OTHER INSTITUTIONALLY ABUSED “FALSE ALLEGERS” THAT THIS MAN TYRRELL, IS A LIAR, A CRIMINAL,AND A THUG. PLEASE HELP ME!  We will Rory, we will. BIG as London is Rory, in MANY respects it’s QUITE SMALL to a certain diaspora of “emigree’s” and “news” travels fast, VERY FAST RORY, especially in the Irish Community COMPRISING MANY OF US EX-NMATES OF THE CHILD BROTHELS OF IRELAND, more so when an ex black garb  arrives on the scene, and as you discovered to your cost “collation” become most difficult, however Rory, unfortunately you overlooked a “few” precautions whch SHOULD have been pointed out to you, as you know London Rory is now a most SECURITY CONSCIOUS Community, and CAMERAS ARE “EVERYWHERE” Rory, moreso, in the “places” you visited. Yes Rory, MOST UNFORTUNATE. However, we can’t blame you for that, as certain skills are required in the “world” you now inhabit and your lack thereof IS ASTOUNDING. Recording and “assessing” information Rory lies in the ability to collect enough of the right information. Frequently, gobshites such as yourself rely on gathering information in the old “scatter gun” method, they hope to find out something worthwhile by asking more and more questions, this method Rory, YOURS, results in confusion from information overload. Ergo Rory, it is as well to remember the difficulty imposed where human nature is the subject, and people and systems being intertwined make for continuous and dynamic opposite dimensions which in themselves pose difficulties for the “learner” such as yourself, plus of course the problem this presents and its meaning for “significant” people, ie, Rory, HISTORICAL FACTS WHICH IMPINGE ON THE PRESENT, and the KNOWLEDGE THERETO WHICH CAN “AFFECT THE FUTURE”! In many ways Rory you WERE in effect DOOMED TO FAILURE in as much, you REPRESENT THE FAILURE, BY BEING A VERY PART OF IT, and we arrive at such conclusion Rory , where the “assessor”, in this instance, YOU, possessed of a set determinate in that your PERSPECTIVE lacks EXACTNESS and COMPREHENSIVNESS, something like CLOUSSEAU, bumbling away in the Mike Hammer “GUM SHOE” fashion…………..Problems for which this approach is applicable, Rory, may NOT even seem like “problems” , but more like crises which can occur when a “person” or EVEN AN “ORGANISATION” perceives a THREAT TO THEIR LIFE GOALS, so in this particular instance Rory, ROUTINE “EARY HISTORY” taking has to be seen as innapropriate, and as you hold a “BA”, in HISTORY this surely MUST strike a chord within you, it is the MEANING of the event to the INDIVIDUAL which matters, and YOUR meaning in this EVENT stems from irrational and unstable emotional involvement based on misplaced loyalty to the OPPRESSORS OPPOSED TO THE OPPRESSED. HISTORY, as you know, TELLS US THAT. Jasus Rory, there I go AGAIN, digressing, I only wish I had your ability to remain FOCUSED! Your past association with a DISHONOURABLE BUNCH OF THUGS, LIARS AND SEXUALLY ABUSIVE CRIMINALS, ie, the De la Sillys, invokes the desire in myself to TREAD WARILY HERE, when I say that your CURRENT STRESSE’S have their origins in past life “experiences”, ie, BEING AN EX MEMBER OF A christian brothers ORGANISATION, IN THIS PRESENT CLIMATE cannot be an easy burden to bear, and my goal here is to HELP you to come to terms with your RELIGIOUS loss to reduce the risk of future vulnerability. As you are aware Rory, the SPYS objective is to gather information, to be active, directive and systematic, if need be, and most importantly Rory one has to be AUTHENTIC where “”reality testing”” is promotional to the desired goal, in your case, a most perfidious and unwarranted intrusion into the life of a MAN WHO ENDED HIS LIFE FOR “HIS” DESIRED GOAL. Peter Tyrrell who now HAS REACHED OUT FROM THE GRAVE TO ACCUSE HIS TORMENTORS, THE IRISH christian brothers. In the MURKY WORLD of “religious politics”, not forgetting “espionage”Rory, one could ALMOST be forgiven for “looking” behind the scenes here as to WHAT motivates you in particular aspects of your MISSION IMPOSSIBLE. Peter Tyrrells FOUNDED ON FEAR concerns itself primarily WITH THE BRUTALITIES COMMITTED ON THE INNOCENT and DEFENCLESS IN LETTERFRACK, BY FAR, THE MOST DISGUSTING CHILD BROTHEL THEY STAFFED AND RAN, and its on the basis that you were NOT a member of this GANG, but of ANOTHER order which leads MY thinking to go somewhat awry! Indicating Rory, that SURELy its THAT order who should have been in London looking for “DIRT” on Peter Tyrrell, and NOT YOURSELF! But there again, memory tells me that the Irish christian brothers, and NOT the De La Sillys, were SUCCESSFUL in obtaining an INJUNCTION in the High Court precluding the NAMING AND SHAMING OF THEIR PAST PERVERTS, in particular THEIR DEAD PERVERTS, and Im just WONDERING Rory, as Peter Tyrrell is long dead, does this INJUNCTION in ANY reciprocal sense AFFORD PETER TYRRELL THE SAME PROTECTION! Thereby, by implication would it therefore be in “ANYWAY” AN ILLEGAL ACT , contray to the HIGH COURT INJUNCTION if this religious order “employed” ANYONE on their behalf to UNDERTAKE SUCH A “MISSION” as to in anyway cast ASPERSIONS OR OTHERWISE ON THE MEMOIRS OF PETER TYRRELL! On the night of the launch of FOUNDED ON FEAR, there were “FACES” there reminiscent of the K G B , very tense, very alert and looking SOMEWHAT “TROUBLED” But there again Rory as the BLACK GARBS PROFUSELY APOLOGISED for the contents of FOUNDED ON FESAR, I suppose its just my highly disorganised mind which runs away with me, AND MY “THOUGHTS” OF “CONSPIRATORIAL THEORIES” … So, you have to forgive me Rory, it just goes to show how unbalanced we can become from a Christian Brothers “education” IN THE CHILD BROTHELS OF IRELAND. You and I should dispense with all this CLOAK and DAGGER WORK RORY, and LET’S GET DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY CONCERNING THE “DEATH OF PATSY FLANAGAN”! Hopefully you should have GOT MY CHALLENGE BY NOW, and no doubt Rory you and I can SET THIS FORUM ALIGHT, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY BRINGING UD FORUM TO DESERVED WORLD ACCLAIM, JASUS RORY, JUST THINK OF THE “PUBLICITY” WE COULD GENERATE.  And you could then REALISE ALL YOUR DREAMS BY CLAIMING THE PUBLICITY YOU SO DESERVE, and FURTHER Rory, it would be a RIGHT KICK IN THE FACE FOR THE MEDIA IN IRELAND WHOSE “VIEW” OF YOU IS A RIGHT GOBSHITE, SO LETS GO FOR IT RORY. Looking forward to hearing from you.
FROM A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE, WHO CALLS A SPADE A SPADE!

COMMENT 3

I’M HALF WAY THROUGH PETER TYRRELL’S BOOK ‘FOUNDED ON FEAR’. I STARTED THE BOOK YESTERDAY AND READ SOME AGAIN TODAY. I FOUND IT VERY DISTURBING. IT IS A MIRROR IMAGE OF MY TIME SPENT IN ARTANE. I HAD DIFFICULTY IN SLEEPING LAST NIGHT. WHAT A VERY BRAVE BOY HE WAS FOR THAT TIME!  LETTERFRACK, DID GET WORSE, AS THE YEARS WENT, ON EVEN INTO INTO THE FIFTIES IT WAS TERRIBLE. I NOTICED IN THE BOOK THAT MOST THINGS WHICH HAPPENED IN LETTERFRACK WHEN HE WAS THERE WAS ALSO CARRIED OUT IN ARTANE.  EVEN, ‘SPINNING THE KNIFE’ FOR THE SHARE OF THE BREAD AND BUTTER! ….LIFE, WAS EVEN MORE WORSE FOR PETER IN THE TWENTIES AND EARLY THIRTIES THAN WAS THE CASE WITH THE BOYS IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES, IT IS A  VIVIDLY AND DEEPLY MOVING BOOK. BUT, HARD TO READ KNOWING THAT EVENTS IN THE BOOK REALLY HAPPENED. AS PETER TYRRELL SAYS.
“WE OFTEN GROW UP BITTER AND FULL OF HATRED FOR SOCIETY” HOW RIGHT HE WAS!  IRISH/AUSTRALIAN VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 4

“Rory, Rory where have you been”? You didn’t go to London just to see the Queen! Have you instead, been to see the other religious spy in Huddersfield? Sad about his friend, Father Harry Moore. When you seek to investigate people remember that it works both ways and the religious “key” is not the only “key”. Imagine a survivor going to see  Archbishop Brady in Armagh to inform on victims/survivors.
The Freedom of Information Act works for all! From a victim/survivor of institutional abuse.

COMMENT 5

“WHO” is the slob, with the – and I Quote, “SOFT GENTLE IRISH ACCENT” Unquote, WHO PRESENTLY IS DOING THE ROUNDS HERE IN LONDON TRYING TO DIG UP “DIRT” ON PETER TYRREL. I await your “presence” on my manor. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 6

WATER EVENTUALLY FINDS ITS OWN LEVEL , SO JUST GIVE THE FAILED – ‘SOFT’ EX-BLACK FECKING GARB ENOUGH ROPE TO KNOT AROUND HIS ROTTEN FISHY NAGGING HEAD. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 7

I worked as a plaster’s labourer in 73 in a posh house on the edge of Hamstead Heath. My work mates told me then that an Irish lad burnt himself there. I only found out a few years ago that is was Peter Tyrrell, and why he did it. In my ‘book’ they don’t come any braver than Peter Tyrrell!  He stood up against the roman catholic church and the church controlled Irish Free State. He did this for the former inmates. The inmates, that were still serving their sentences and the future inmates that were to be incarcerated  in years to come. If that was not ‘BRAVERY’ WHAT IS?
AN IRISH/AMERICAN VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 8

Rory, fancy coming to London and not looking me up!  Have no fear Rory Dear, YOU ARE NOT THE “ONLY ONE” LOOKING “THINGS UP”. TELL ME RORY, YOUR BIG HOUSE, ALL THIS TRAVEL, YOUR MODE OF LIVING, ” AND YOU DONT HAVE A JOB” WHAT’S THE SECRET OF THIS GRACIOUS LIVING, DO TELL RORY? IM INTERESTED IN SUCH A LUXURY LIFESTYLE ! OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A WEALTHY MAN! OR DOES YOUR “WEALTH” COME FROM ELSEWHERE, _ SHARES IN “HEAVEN” PERHAPS? OR DID YOU MAKE SUFFICENT DOSH AS A Christian Brother, or even as an ex -Christian Brother?  INCIDENTIALL, RORY, WE STILL AWAIT YOUR “DISSERTATION” ON THE EVIDENCE SURROUNDING THE “MYSTERIOUS DEATH” OF YOUNG PATSY FLANAGAN IN ARTANE – YOU`VE GONE “VERY QUIET” ON THAT PARTICULAR SUBJECT RORY! ANY VIABLE REASON FOR THAT?TAKE CARE RORY, BUY A PARROT, THEY`RE GREAT COMPANY, BUT WATCH OUT FOR THE “BEAKS”! VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE NOW DOMICILED IN LONDON, ENGLAND
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FOUNDED ON FEAR. ON HAMSTEAD HEATH!

Brothers should be contrite Mary Raftery Primo Levi, the Italian writer who gave us probably the most compelling account of life and death in a German concentration camp, told of a recurring nightmare common among inmates. He and his fellow sufferers at Auschwitz dreamt of a time in the future when they were free and were trying to tell people of the horrors in the camps, of the depths of depravity to which human beings are capable of sinking. Despite their desperate efforts to be heard, no one would listen or believe. They cried out and people turned their backs. And this is indeed what happened to Levi himself. For over 10 years, publisher after publisher rejected If This Is a Man, his memoir of Auschwitz. It is now of course an undisputed classic of 20th century literature. Last Tuesday, a remarkable book was launched in this country. As a manuscript, it lay undiscovered for almost half a century. Its author, Peter Tyrrell, had tragically committed suicide almost 40 years ago by setting himself alight on London’s Hampstead Heath. Like Primo Levi, he was determined that people hear his tale of horror, and, like Levi, he was ignored and dismissed. Tyrrell is a rare phenomenon of post-Independence Ireland – he is a genuine hero. His memoir, Founded on Fear, was discovered recently by historian Diarmuid Whelan in the National Library among the papers of the late Senator Owen Sheehy-Skeffington. It tells of the grinding poverty of his childhood in County Galway, and his removal at the age of eight to the industrial school at Letterfrack in Connemara. It also covers his subsequent years in the British army during the second World War. He was wounded and captured in 1945, and memorably describes his German prisoner-of-war camp as “heaven on earth” compared to Letterfrack. Tyrrell’s account of the seven years of his childhood spent at the Christian Brothers’ institution has a childlike directness, an absence of self-pity and a unique even-handedness which place his memoir among the most powerful of the genre. Written in 1958, it is also the very earliest such account that we know of, and consequently a document of enormous historical significance. In a powerfully dispassionate manner, largely unburdened by any tone of moralising, he describes the appalling reality of life for a child at Letterfrack during the 1920s and 1930s. He tells of the savage and sadistic beatings administered by a number of Brothers – boys of all ages were usually attacked from behind, so they never knew when it was coming. They were hit repeatedly, often up to 20 times, on the head and back at full force with a variety of weapons, from hefty sticks and leathers to thick rubber strips reinforced with metal wire. Tyrrell recounts the systematic destruction of little boys, his mates, as they are literally in some cases driven mad by the endless torture they experience. On one occasion, his own arm was broken during an attack and he was ordered to tell the doctor that he had fallen down the stairs. Founded on Fear is also a rich and detailed account of daily life in Letterfrack, with all its incomprehensible contradictions. Tyrrell talks about how the Brothers completely changed personality on Christmas Day, playing and joking with the boys in the friendliest fashion. He describes outings arranged by Brothers who went to great lengths to ensure that the children enjoyed themselves. He also refers to Brothers who did not beat the children – by no means all were cruel and vicious. In short, he does not shy away from the oddly schizophrenic nature of these places. It is this fair-mindedness which has been highlighted by the Christian Brothers in their statement about Tyrrell’s book this week. In an unusual step, they have commented favourably on the memoir, and have taken the opportunity both to apologise unreservedly to victims of similar abuse and to acknowledge publicly their failings when during the 1950s Tyrrell himself came to confront them with their abuse of children. It was an extraordinarily brave action on his part. He was concerned that children might be still suffering from such cruelty at their institutions and he wanted it stopped. The Brothers, however, refused to listen. Documents supplied to the Child Abuse Commission show that their primary concern was that he might try to blackmail them. Today, many of those abused at Christian Brother institutions during the very years when Peter Tyrrell was seeking to expose it have been deeply hurt by what they perceive as the Brothers’ continuing denial of their responsibility for such widespread crimes against children. In this context, it is important to acknowledge the honesty of the Christian Brothers’ statement accepting the validity of Peter Tyrrell’s memoir. It is their most generous public utterance to date. It is all that he asked for when he was alive. Even now, so many years after his despairing suicide, it is still not too late to express such sincere contrition. The Irish Times

FOUNDED ON FEAR.

BRUTALITY IN LETTERFRACK A Chara, – Mary Raftery recently likened the dreadful experience of Peter Tyrell to that of Primo Levi (Opinion, October 19th). After hearing extracts from Tyrell’s book on the radio the other night, I was struck by the aptness of Raftery’s comparison. Both men, through no fault of their own, found themselves locked in a nightmare. They suffered appalling brutality and humiliation. They were stripped of their dignity and lived in sheer terror. The comparison doesn’t end there. In both cases society closed its eyes. The extraordinary way in which a combination of hatred and cowardice gave rise to collusion in Nazi Germany is well documented. But if it is true that ordinary Germans knew well about the horrors inside Dachau, here in Ireland ordinary people knew about places like Letterfrack. Worse still, they colluded in it. A garda would assist in rounding up boys for industrial schools. A farmer would hand over escapees that he found on his land. All in full knowledge of the cruel regimes to which the boys were being returned. Politicians rounded on anyone – and they were few – who dared to speak out. The Catholic Church, cruel and tyrannical, defended its regime with ferocity. As Peter Tyrell sobbed after his brutal drubbings, he must have wondered what kind of people lived in the little cottages all around. He must have asked himself how a Mass-going community could allow an enclave of brutality in its midst. His heart must have been continually breaking as he wondered what he had done to deserve this cruelty. Levi suffered a similar collapse in his faith in mankind. But at least he had the satisfaction of seeing the demise of the sick regime that was responsible for his suffering. Poor Peter Tyrell had been brave enough to raise his voice against the tyranny only to be shouted down. In his quest for justice he met a stone wall, thick and steadfast like that of a church. We are still dismantling that wall and it is essential that we try to understand how it was built. – Is mise, C MAC A, Churchtown, Dublin 14. Letters Page, Irish Times.

FOUNDED ON FEAR

Peter Tyrell’s book Founded on Fear serves as another reminder of the savagery of Ireland’s industrial school system. It also shows up the catastrophic effect of the cosy and profoundly detrimental relationship between Church and State that existed then, and how each connived with the other to wreak havoc on the lives of so many Irish people.

The men and women of God dictated the agenda, and the State towed the line…or, to put it another way, the Crucifix “played” the Harp, and Catholic Ireland danced to the tune of the One, True, and Apostolic faith.

Tyrell’s memoir reads like the autobiography of a Gulag or concentration camp survivor. It leaves you with striking and unforgettable images of “carers” and “teachers” enforcing a military style regime in Letterfrack.

The beatings seemed to go on forever. You could be whacked for not sleeping, for being awake, for looking to the left instead of to the right while standing in line. Terror stalked the place.

The notion that people who lived in the vicinity of industrial schools “didn’t know” what went on is pretty unconvincing, when you consider that mothers often reprimanded wayward children by saying “if you don’t behave, I’ll send you to Letterfrack

If that warning sounds vaguely familiar, it may be because German mothers in the 1930s and during the war used a similar threat to get children to behave: “If you’re bold again, I’ll send you to Dachau”.

Letterfrack may not have recycled its fearful inmates into lampshades or soap, but it certainly turned many people into traumatised victims of savage beatings and a searing emotional cruelty.

I suggest a twinning arrangement between Letterfrack and the town of Dachau in Germany. The crimes perpetrated in the first one of these two hateful places may differ in character and magnitude from what happened in the concentration camp.

Yet both sets of violent abusers destroyed lives…simply because they could…and black was the colour of their working clothes.

Thanking you,
John Fitzgerald,
(Freelance Journalist and Writer)

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 97 2006-12-10 16:40:30 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin
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LEGAL PROFESSION REPORT

Legal profession report took 25 years………………….. Tomorrow’s publication of the Competition Authority’s final report on the legal profession marks the end of almost a quarter of a century of studies of restrictive practices by lawyers. In the early 1980s, the Minister for Industry, Trade, Commerce and Tourism asked the Fair Trade Commission (FTC) – the forerunner to the Competition Authority – to examine practices which led to increased legal costs and which limited employment opportunities in the legal profession. The commission published its preliminary report in 1984. The final report, published in March 1990, concluded: “We believe that competition between lawyers would be of significant benefit to the public. We also consider that the interests of lawyers would be best served in a competitive environment. Unless consumers are satisfied that high standards of service are provided at a reasonable cost, the long-term survival and prosperity of lawyers will not be assured. “Some of the report’s proposals – such as the establishment of a small claims court and the extension of the Circuit Court’s jurisdiction to 38,000 – were implemented. But other recommendations – such as a system of common vocational training for solicitors and barristers – were ignored. Ken Murphy, director general of the Law Society, said solicitors had implemented many of the recommendations of the 1990rep ort. He said the Law Society had the power to investigate excessive fees, solicitors were required to have mandatory professional indemnity insurance and lay members had been appointed to the complaints committee. The former chairman of the Competition Authority, Paddy Lyons, who was a member of the group that drew up the FTC report, agreed that solicitors had implemented “quite a number of the recommendations”, but he said that, in relation to the Bar, “there has been virtually no progress. What little change there has been was the first for 400 years, so I suppose we should be grateful. In 2001, the Competition Authority announced that it was to examine eight professions, including the legal profession. The authority said it expected to publish its final report in the autumn of 2005, but that date was defe r red be cause of delays in submissions by lawyers groups and the resignation of authority chairman John Fingleton. He was succeeded last January by former aviation regulator Bill Prasifka. The authority’s preliminary report, published in February 2005, said that high-quality legal services were important to society, “but of limited value if available only to the very rich.” It criticised the legal profession for serious and disproportionate restrictions on competition”, and made more than 40 proposals for change, most of which are likely to find their way into tomorrow’s final report. The recommendations included: * abolishing the educational monopolies of the King’s Inns and Law Society; * removing the ban on direct access by the public to barristers; * lifting the prohibition on partnerships between barristers and solicitors; * scrapping restrictions on advertising; * requiring advance fee information by barristers; and * changing the taxation of costs system. But the Competition Authority has no power to enforce any changes recommended in its report. Last April, it was reported that the authority was considering prosecuting the Law Society and the King’s Inns for abuse of their dominant positions in relation to the education of would-be lawyers. The Law Society is the sole institution responsible for the training of solicitors, while the King’s Inns has the monopoly on training barristers. As part of its preliminary report on the legal professions, the authority gave both institutions until September 30, 2005, to produce guidelines for universities and colleges which wanted to provide training courses for solicitors and barristers. Neither organisation did so, but the authority did not take legal action. However, the Law Society and the King’s Inns have taken steps to counter criticism of their monopolies. The Law Society has announced a second law school at UCC in Cork, while the King’s Inns is reported to be considering the reintroduction of the part-time course for the Barrister-at-Law (BL) degree. The Competition Authority itself has been a victim of the restrictive practices in the legal profession. In 2000, the authority advertised for two solicitors to join its staff. When asked why the positions were not open to barristers, an authority spokesman cited the Bar Council rule forbidding barristers to be briefed by other barristers. In contentious cases, barristers may only be instructed by solicitors. The issue of legal costs will feature strongly in tomorrow’s report. Legal services in Ireland cost more than 1.1 billion a year – almost 1 per cent of total GDP. Speaking at a debate in Trinity College Dublin earlier this year, Minister for Justice Michael McDowell said the issue of legal costs and fees was a subject upon which everyone has something to say. McDowell said there was a widespread perception that lawyers decided their own incomes by rules which they interpreted and applied. To help tackle the problem, he set up a legal costs working group in 2004, chaired by Paul Haran, former secretary general of the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment. The Haran report, published a year ago, recommended setting up a regulatory body to formulate guidelines for fees. That body has not yet been implemented. But the idea of a regulatory body for lawyers is likely to feature in the Competition Authority’s final report. It’s believed that the authors of the report are unhappy that the Law Society and the Bar Council continue to have sole responsibility for regulatory and disciplinary matters. Although the Competition Authority has no power to enforce the recommendations in its report, the Bar Council and the Law Society are likely to come under increasing pressure to comply with the proposals. But those who expect swift action would do well to consider the Latin motto of the Bar: nolumus mutari – we do not want to change……10 December 2006 … By Kieron Wood…Sunday Business Post.

 #98 2006-12-10 17:19:0 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin

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THE DOOR THAT NEVER CLOSES.

As a victim/survivor of an Irish Gulag I have been researching Institutional Child Abuse. I am thoroughly examining what IRISH GULAG children had to endure. The effects of the abuse visited on them which thus emanated into the rest of their lives and the lives of their parents, spouses/partners, their children/grand children, siblings, friends. I am looking at the difficulties they had/have fitting into society in the way one would have expected. Also, the fact that they could not connect to society in many other ways. For example, to too innumerable victims/survivors this indeed was and still is a very serious problem. Many victioms/survivors simply got lost in the world and drifted onto the oblivion train of alcohol, and drugs in order to escape the pain and the trauma of what happened to them as children in the Irish Gulags. There is a greater need of understanding into this very complex problem and for people to accuse victims/survivors of telling lies in order to enhance their application at the Redress Board it is nothing short of a total disgrace. These accusers have no idea as to what it is was like for victims/survivors to revisit their experiences in the Irish Gulags.  The accusers have their minds made up about them. It was said in the old western days “give them a fair trial and then we will hang them”. What is the point in trying to get through to them. So let’s move on, and get the experience victims/survivors, their parents, spouses/partners, children, grandchildren and friends out into the public domain for the whole world to see.

I hope I live long enough to finish this research which has the title “The Door That Never Closes”. It is my intention to hold public meetings in Ireland and the UK for the spouses/partners, sons, daughters, children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, friends and relations of victims/survivors of the Irish Gulags, as I strongly believe that their stories and concerns should also have a voice as they too are victims/survivors of the fallout of the Irish Gulags.
It is called  “Rock Me Gently” ”it is a true Story” of a Convent Childhood, written by; Judith Kelly. The book clearly shows what sort of people these nuns were, outside Ireland. It also gives great insight into victims/survivors of Ireland and of the system that was created by the Catholic Church and also of the treatment of little innocent children world-wide. From a victim/survivor of institutional abuse now domiciled in England.

COMMENT 1

Thank you for your posting regarding the title of the proposed outcome of my research. I see exactly what you are saying. The title “The Door That Never Closes ” is hopefully to indicate to all that our pain and trauma suffered in the Irish Gulags can never have the door closed on it, for as long as we live we will never get complete closure as the damage is deeply ingrained in us. Our stories will be for the world to see what this Catholic Ireland did to its innocent children. The children of today and tomorrow and for generations to come will be protected from these evil people. A child has a basic human right to a good and safe childhood a childt has a right to be wanted, loved, cherished and to be happy. Afterall, these are the very foundation stones for the preparation of life (hard knocks and all ) to come. There is an old saying in Ireland: “you have not lived life until you have seen the two day’s…the good day, and the bad day” From a victim/survivor of institutional abuse now domiciled in england.

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#99 2006-12-10 21:07:34 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlln
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Victims see their trust fund spent on salsa.
September 3, 2006

John Burns

IT was set up by the church to help victims of abuse in industrial schools improve their education. But three years later it has emerged that less than one in three beneficiaries of 12.7m trust fund has ever set foot in an industrial school or orphanage.
Furthermore, a large proportion of the proceeds of the compensation fund appears to have been spent on Irish dancing and salsa classes, driving lessons and swimming instruction.

A spokesman for the Education Finance Board (EFB), which is responsible for handing out the cash, says only 27.9% of those who have got grants are former residents of industrial schools. “The remainder are mostly children of residents, and some spouses,” he said. “The grants have been for a range of courses, from basic literacy to masters degrees.”

Almost 1,500 people from Ireland and around the world have received payments totalling 3.2m, an average of 2,100 each. There is still 10.5m left in the fund, which is being looked after by the National Treasury Management Agency.

But Patrick Walsh, vice-chairman of the EFB and a victims” representative, is concerned about how the money has been awarded. He cites the lack of a verification system to ensure applicants are genuine, and is unhappy that grandchildren of industrial school residents will now be eligible for funding.

“As of last January, 1,775 people had applied for money, but none of these people were independently verified,” Walsh said. “People could send in applications for grants based on a form and photocopies of bits of paper. There may be bogus applications in there because the system is far too open. All it takes is someone with Tippex and a photocopier.”

Up until February payments from the fund were made by an ad-hoc committee but Mary Hanafin, the education minister, has now put the EFB on a statutory footing thereby changing the rules to allow grandchildren to apply. Walsh has criticised this extension given that no extra money was provided by the government. The original 2.7m was provided by 18 religious congregations.

“Grandchildren who have never been to Ireland, and whose grandfathers may have been in industrial schools for only a few days or back in the 1890s, are being included.” he said. “It doesn’t seem fair that a fund set up to rectify educational disadvantage to residents is being opened up to people who didn’t suffer that.”

Walsh, who spent 14 years in an industrial school, has asked the EFB to work out how much of the 3.2m has been spent on lifestyle classes such as salsa and swimming. One person recently received 2,000 for dance classes they had taken in 2002. I have concerns about that,’ he said.

A spokesman defended the practice of funding courses to help beneficiaries learn skills such as driving. Driving lessons can be helpful to people in their normal lives, he said. Certain courses are not eligible. As well as paying fees, we give a degree of assistance. There are barriers to attendance in education, such as the cost of childcare, books and field trips.”

Under EFB guidelines to be published shortly, a ceiling will be placed on how much people can be given from the fund. This is due to concerns that some have received disproportionate amounts, with one person getting 20,000.

Walsh, a spokesman for Irish Survivors of Child Abuse (Soca) in England, said the Department of Education’s database will now be used to verify applicants, but he would like it to be used to do a retrospective check on the 1,500 beneficiaries, many of whom are in receipt of ongoing grants. “There has been a lack of proper checking,” he said.

The EFB is also scrapping a retrospectivity clause that allowed people to claim for courses they had done as far back as 2002. Walsh said this was also in response to concerns at board level.

The trust fund was set up in 2002 as part of a controversial deal between the Department of Education and religious orders. In return for a total package of ¬127m, including the fund, the department agreed to indemnify the orders against applications for compensation from former residents of institutions. The Residential Institutions Redress Board is now paying out compensation to about 15,000 people who were abused. Many people have made multiple applications to the EFB, with one person applying nine times.

A spokesman, however, said fraud doesn’t arise. Once you can show you’re a former resident, or a relative with a direct link, and you can prove details of the residency, you’re eligible.

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Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin

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VICTIMS/SURVIVORS OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE GUINEA PIGS WANTED.

November 29th 2006

Sometimes it seems our academics learn nothing. The Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse has spread the tentacles of its curiosity into the academic world, “inviting” University College Dublin to carry out a study of the long-term effects on those who were in the industrial school system. The research, if it happens, will involve around 400 men and women. It is being undertaken without any consultation with the abused. Contact is indirect, through their solicitors.

In a letter sent out by the commission through lawyers to the abused on November 16, consent is sought for them to be included on a panel to be questioned in the research. Closing date for this was yesterday. This gave virtually no time at all for consultation, though the more responsible solicitors were offering to answer questions, according to copies of letters I have seen. As far as the Commission is concerned, the information about the study is extremely limited.

The Commission says that participation “will be subject to the usual confidentiality requirements”. There is no “usual confidentiality”. This is new territory. The UCD research represents a new departure. With a “research team” engaged, the ability of the Commission to control confidentiality, or indeed any other aspect of procedure or content, is tenuous. Those who have contacted me about the letter have rejected participation out of hand. One of them wrote the following: “Do you realise how many people have our files? They are held by the Department of Education, the Redress Board, The Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse, Barnardo’s, the archives of the religious institutions, the solicitors who have acted for us, or are acting for us, the psychiatrists and psychotherapists and the courts.

Now they want UCD to analyse us. It makes me so angry. And we cannot get our medical files from the religious institutions nor can we get the names of our families.” The Commission quotes Professor Carr, who is leading the research team, as assuring Judge Sean Ryan and his team that the interview material “will be securely stored at UCD”, that details will remain confidential, and that the Human Research Ethics Committee has approved. The heart of the matter lies in what is to be achieved. “The research will say how the overall group of participants were affected by having lived in an institution, how it affected their psychological adjustment, their quality of life and how individuals coped with the challenges that they faced during their time in the institutions and afterwards.” From the trust that I have built up over a number of years with men and women who went through the industrial school system, and from their testimony, I can answer most of those questions.

Furthermore, having covered and read much of the material before the Commission, I can also say of that body that it is not getting very close to the truth. I fear the research project will do even less well. Leading spokespersons of the abused are disdainful and dismissive of the process altogether. There is a further compelling reason for doubt about what is being done. Though it is a long time ago, UCD similar research and then lost all the research documentation. This arose at the time of the Kennedy Committee’s work, in the late 1960s. It was done because Ireland faced international disgrace as a result of OECD investigations into our education system.

These showed serious defects in the education levels of people in industrial schools. Inmates were, of course, not being educated. They were doing manual work for the Orders, their education – like everything else – being seriously neglected. Some regard this as the worst of all the abuses. The UCD researchers at the time knew none of this. One who was there has told me: “I personally recall the arrival of the earnest young men in horn-rimmed glasses at Artane with their bundles of forms. “Like all intruders, they were bitterly resented by the Christian Brothers who handed out the forms designed to measure our mental maturity. We were never interviewed. Not even a ‘good morning’ ever passed between either side.

That probably explains why they appear not to have detected any abusive indicators in the children.” The same person says of the Commission’s new project “we are guinea pigs again”. Perhaps Professor Carr will give some thought to his predecessor in the research field, who was Professor of Logic and Psychology at UCD, a Father Eamonn Feichin O’Doherty. His research is referred to in Appendix F of the Kennedy Report. His testimony hinged on the concept that the educational backwardness of industrial school inmates resulted from innate inability, bad blood, family circumstances.

It was not related to the conditions in the institutions. Such was the Professor of Logic’s logic. Moreover, he blamed early experience in life, not realising that the early life, from the age of two, had been in the industrial schools. He ignored the prison environment, the constant fear, the brutality and violence, the starvation, the meagre and inadequate clothing. Instead, it was all bad genes. This was a piece of National Socialist research. Current researchers can neither criticise nor defend these assertions because UCD lost all the research material. I do not think Professor Carr should proceed any further until questions have been asked about the project. Apart from anything else it is appropriate to ask what psychiatric or therapeutic skills are possessed by the members of his team. I don’t know the timescale of the research but I think that the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse should bring its work to an end since that work is going nowhere at all. It is not satisfying the abused. It is costing a great deal of public money.

Furthermore, it is not getting to the heart of truth. One of the Artane boys constantly in touch with me whose experiences have marked him for life, tells me that there was no library in Artane. This was a so-called “school” for upwards of 800 boys. Even National Schools had little libraries. He goes on: “Of all the horrors Ireland inflicted on me, the one that probably did the most long-term damage was the loss of education. I had a childhood ambition to be a physicist or medical doctor – my father was in St John’s Ambulance and taught me first aid. “I have no doubt whatever that I could have realised my ambition had I not been imprisoned. I entered Artane a bright and able child; I escaped from the prison two years later a mental and physical wreck and with my educational prospects in ruins.” His future life was whipped out of him, like the offending Adam. He was enslaved and tormented like so many others.

Are they to be subjected to further and increasingly idiotic “research”? © Irish Independent

Comment
In a report, by Bruce Arnold, regarding yet again another Investigation by the Ryan Commission, through UCD, to report on the affects of Institutional Care in Ireland.
This is further abuse by the Government. We were not asked to participate in this Judge Sean Ryan has no authority to do this. .Solicitors, also, have no right to discuss what is in our files with other agencies. We were not asked.

THE LEADERS OF THE ABUSE GROUPS, ALONG WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH/CHILDREN AND EDUCATION/SCIENCE HELD A MEETING IN THE NATIONAL OFFICE(NOVA) AND DECIDED IT WOULD BE BEST NOT TO NOTIFY VICTIMS/SURVIVORS OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE…..WHY?

Who do these people think they are to decide for us? WHY?

‘Right of Place’ – Cork, gets 4.2. million Euro.
‘Aislinn Centre’ JERVIS CENTRE, DUBLIN, gets 135,000.
SOCA UK – gets 185, 000 with a Bed and Breakfast House in Dublin to boot.

Please contact all groups and ask what is happening in our names?
They must not be allowed to do this to us again.
We must demand our rights and then complain to the Irish Government, NOVA.
Accountability REGARDING ALL ISSUES CONCERNING VICTIMS/SURVIVORS MUST BE ADHERED TO AT ALL COSTS.
From a very irate victim/survivor of institutional abuse. James Lawler

Sunday Independent November 20th 2005

WHEN Bertie Ahern says that he gave the child sex abuse issue the highest priority during his two terms as Taoiseach, he is being disingenuous.

What he has said is this: “I have put child protection in the context of sex abuse within religious institutions and by clergy at the forefront of the work of my term as Taoiseach. My record in relation to the investigation and exposing of child sex abuse is second to none. As Taoiseach, I oversaw the establishment of the Commission of Inquiry into Child Abuse and the Ferns Inquiry. And it is through this process of inquiry and disclosure that we as a society are enabled to ensure that the abuse and dereliction of duty in the past does not recur.” The truth is that the growing threat of court action in respect of sexual abuse in church-run institutions over decades was the reason for the programme of action initiated under Ahern’s first term as Taoiseach. Documentation shows that the Department of Education, in the mid-Nineties, conscious of this, and also advised in part by legal opinion about the level of cases that might come to court, brought to the Government proposals for obviating this threat.

Bertie Ahern did indeed take action, but principally for three reasons. The first was to protect the State by creating an alternative process, through the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse. The second was to protect the Roman Catholic church from the same threat of widespread legal action by people who had been dreadfully abused, not just sexually, but in terms of extensive deprivation of health, education and the minimal comforts of care and kindness. The third reason was fear of the revelations, which were emerging through television and articles, and which were likelyto snowball. The legislation then introduced by the Government was couched in terms that were protective of the church and of the State.

Bertie Ahern opposed the idea of redress, which was only brought to Government as a necessary additional measure. Without it, the legal challenges were likely to be mounted anyway.

This was then followed by the outrageous secret deal with the church, which put the financial burden of redress on the State, and therefore the taxpayer, and absolved the church with payment of less than 10 per cent of the likely eventual charge on the State for the iniquities that had been perpetrated in more than 100 brutal and ill-run institutions around Ireland.

He presided over a Government – and a Department of Education under three ministers, Michael Woods, Micheal Martin and Noel Dempsey – that liaised with outreach organisations in Britain, and through organisations working for abused people, was in touch with the lives, psychiatric care and the search for redress of deeply damaged men and women.

The whole process was bravely challenged by Judge Mary Laffoy. She blew the whistle on what was happening. She took on the Government for its hypocrisy in not funding or supporting the very inquiry that Bertie Ahern claims is his great gift tosolving the institutional abuse issue.

She blew the whistle in another and much more fundamental way by publishing the only full account of gross ill-treatment by the church of young people in the Fishing School in Baltimore.

It described near-starvation of the inmates who lived in squalor and in rags, without proper medical or educational care.

It is argued that money was short. This is not true. An adequate per capita payment, in all the institutions, was made. The money was not properly accounted for. Much of it was sent back by religious orders to Rome, adding to their coffers and depriving the imprisoned children in Ireland of the wherewithal for a proper start in their already much damaged lives.

Witnesses also refer to the rich lives of the religious who starved them.

Mary Laffoy was a watershed figure. After her the State changed the law. This followed recommendations from the barrister Sean Ryan, who had worked on the abuse legislation. He had done so during the crucial period in which the commission was starved of back-up by the Department of Education while the Redress Board, in secret, was paying out compensation money.

The money awarded, where this can be assessed, fellfar short of what the courts could have been expected to award. Colm O’Gorman’s €300,000 award is the civil marker to be compared with much lesser sums for institutional abuse.

Sean Ryan, the man who had drafted legislation and had been intimately involved with the Department of Education in constructing how the process should be pursued, was then made a High Court judge and put in charge of the Commission on Child Sexual Abuse after Judge Laffoy’s resignation.

It would have been better if a different judge, one who had not been involved in constructing the terms of reference to be followed, both before and after Laffoy, had been appointed.

Since then the whole process has been held up by lengthy inquiries into different institutions. The stated purpose of these inquiry sessions has been to assess whether what is allegedto have happened actuallydid happen.

These inquiries, where the institution is being questioned, have been in public. The inquiries where abused people have been interviewed have been in private. The public statements and answers, usually given by religious who were not in the institutions and did not know what happened, have mainly been whitewash operations.

We are led to believe from them that the floggings in Daingean did not take place. The abuse and starvation in Artane did not happen.

One member after another of the various religious orders that abused terribly their trust in caring for largely innocent children have pleaded either ignorance or presented anodyne answers to crucial questions.

When Bertie Ahern himself appeared before Judge Ryan, on Friday, July 9, 2004, he told the commission that his apology to the abused, in May 1999, had come about as a result of representations made by the groups acting for the abused and by individual members of them. Such groups did not exist then and there is no evidence of such meetings. He said that Government thinking “came from the victims”.

It did not. It came from the Department of Education, and there is substantial documentation proving this.

More telling still, at the time of the Taoiseach’s appearance before the commission, two former ministers, Martin and Woods, directly contradicted the Taoiseach on this issue of where the apology came from, telling Judge Ryan that it was a departmental proposal.

The judge has not yet recalled the Taoiseach to check out the differences and contradictions contained in this evidence.

As said above, this line of approach by the Department of Education, and accepted by the Government, was motivated by the threat of legal actions against the State.

A statement issued this week by Irish SOCA, the only organisation acting for the abused that has spurned help from the State, came out strongly critical of the absurdity of Bertie Ahern’s position, where he wants the good done by the church to beconsidered in amelioration of the abuse.

Bertie Ahern has said: “The notion that the institutional church has not been held to account is misconceived.” And he goes on: “Our legalsystem provides a remedy in damages.”

But what about crime? And what can a permanently damaged, middle-aged victim of physical and sexual abuse over years do with the provisions of the law on damages? What possible hope do they have of contending against the State, when the State has allied itself with the church in constructing, through legal deals, a mechanism of self-protection and immunisation from real redress?

It is not damages or civil actions that are relevant: it is prosecution for crimes of violence against innocent and powerless victims, that need to be pursued against senior members of the church who have consistently, over long periods of time, protected the abusers and the regimes under which the abuse became chronic and insidious.

Colm O’Gorman has played a blinder in recent weeks and has been a proper focus for media attention, though his experience is with diocesan abuse, dare one say it, of a lesser order, in the main, from the institutional abuse that happened in Letterfrack, Daingean, Clonakilty, Artane, and so many other places of dreadful incarceration.

However, ironically Ferns and O’Gorman’s impressive outspokenness have helped Bertie Ahern and the church to talk in terms of all this being put behind us. For the other abused it is happening now, and will go on into the future. And while on the one hand the church is talking of sorrow and pain and apology and regret, behind the scenes, with expert legal advice, itis fighting every inch ofthe way to deny what happened within the industrial school system.

The practical proposals so far coming from Government concern investigation. They deal in hopes about improvement. There is no real underpinning of legal intent.And the process is going onas before.

Bertie Ahern’s declaration about the church’s place in Irish society is totally ill-timed and totally ill-judged. We have yet to address the full problem of abuse. And it does not lie in the past.

It is a present and a future agony for tens of thousands of victims.

Bruce Arnold

Sorry saga of abuse victims has not gone away, you know!

Saturday August 26th 2006

THE Department of Education has carried out research into the organisations and work of State-funded support groups in Britain. These operate on behalf of men and women sentenced to terms in orphanages, industrial schools and reformatories run by the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland.

The period of their incarceration dates from the 1940s, but the majority now living in Britain were in these institutions from the 1950s to the 1970s, and in some cases later.

Many left Ireland as soon as they could and tried to make a life in England. This was far from easy, but in their view anything was better than remaining where they had been so harshly treated. There are five centres, in Manchester, Coventry, Sheffield and two in London. They are funded by the Department of Education with help from the Federation of Irish Societies. These two commissioned the report in November 2004. It is rather sadly entitled “Helping us put ourselves back together”, and was ready for publication over a year ago. But it was held up by the Department, then edited and changed before its limited release last month. A good deal of the funding and expenditure information has been removed.

There are other questions that raise serious doubts about the value and purpose of the survey. The two people commissioned to do it are David Vanderhoeven and Michael Pitchford. The former is a PhD research student at Sheffield University. Mr Pitchford works for the Community Development Foundation in Leeds. They carried out research into Irish Travellers in England but otherwise had no experience in the field of Irish abuse victims.

As Professor Patrick O’Sullivan, of Bradford University, said in an earlier report for another Government department in 2001: “On the whole, Irish organisations do not use external research in their service planning. The most important use that they make of research is in supporting funding applications. The search for funding can, therefore, shape the research agenda and decide the future of a piece of research. A suggestion put to authors was that this funding-driven approach to research might cumulatively amount to a pathologisation of ‘Irishness’.”

This new report finds that the Department of Education had little close knowledge of what it was funding, what agreements existed, how money was spent and what financial and professional audits were conducted.

One of the five centres, the London Irish Survivors’ Outreach Service (LISOS) had no service agreement. The others provided for general information, a referral service, financial assistance and advice. The ISOS organisations also helped with the Child Abuse Commission, counselling, the Redress Board and the retrieval of records by individuals.

Astonishingly, no evidence was found that the Department of Education had either seen or signed the agreements. This would suggest that no effective audit on the substantial public funding of the organisations has ever taken place. This view is reinforced by the fact that, although the terms of the four existing agreements are reported to be “common”, job descriptions in the different regional centres differ as do titles and salaries. Also, the actual descriptions of jobs are at odds with the terms of the overall agreements.

The uncertainty is reinforced further. There is evidence of “a lack of clear guidance” from the Department as to the role and remit of the service “particularly with the shift from the Child Abuse Commission towards being focused around the Redress Board.” It is also not clear what “shift away” means, and whether the implications of this suggestion are clearly understood. Recent training offered to ISOS personnel in Dublin, by the Department, in “money advice to survivors” has possibly resulted in the huge increase in survivors being channelled to the Redress Board where they are represented by British solicitors. They come from English law firms on the LISOS Approved List.

In 2005 a total of 1.9m was paid in fees to these firms in respect of 178 cases. The sum in 2004 was 600,000. None of this was for court appearances since those solicitors do not have legal access to plead here.

IT can be inferred that the outreach services have channelled abused people to the Redress Board for settlement of their cases. The report finds lack of coordination of services, the Federation of Irish Societies being blamed. But no one knows the role and function of that organisation’s development coordinator. The job was filled for a year, little was achieved. The position is still vacant.

Unsurprisingly, the abused want no Church links. There is a known lack of trust, acknowledged in the report, between survivors and the centres because of close Church involvement. Yet there are such links, many of them hidden. They undermine trust because the Church was the main body responsible for the years of suffering of the abused. Nevertheless this long delayed Report recommends the continuation of the services from those very centres.

When asked, Mr Pitchford referred all questions to the department. The report raises more questions than it answers. But that is the way with such reports and has been the way for two decades with the Department of Education on this issue, something to which Mary Hanafin has yet to put her hand.
Irish Independent

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RE: THE ELEVENTH HOUR RECALL OF CHRISTIAN BROTHERS TO THE COMMISSION TO INQUIRE INTO CHILD ABUSE.

Christian Brothers still holding back the truth on child abuse and money……… JUDGE Sean Ryan displayed serious annoyance and frustration with the lawyers representing the Christian Brothers at Wednesday’s public hearing of the Investigation Committee of the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse, of which he is chairman. He said he was uneasy to the point of suspicion as to the motives of the Christian Brothers in withholding questionnaires and statements made by the Brothers who worked in industrial schools where there was abuse. The suspicion is by no means new to the rest of us, but to see it coming from Judge Ryan was a welcome development, as were his strong criticisms of the whole performance by the legal team for the Brothers and by Brother Seamus Nolan, who has been appearing as Christian Brother spokesman during public hearings. Last May, he gave an undertaking that the documents would be given to the Commission. Now, legal privilege is apparently being claimed, though this was not absolutely clear. It seemed also that what the lawyers knew was different from what Brother Nolan knew. He had his own views on the documents and how useful they might, or might not, be but was not aware of the correspondence between the Christian Brothers and the Commission. Yet he is their spokesman! It was not surprising – indeed, it was welcome – to hear Judge Ryan describing the organisation’s performance as “deliberately offensive”. These are gross delaying tactics. The questionnaires and statements are probably as Brother Nolan described them, not containing “anything of great note”. They date from 2000, in the early days of the State’s attempts to investigate abuse, a great deal of it believed to have taken place in Christian Brother institutions. Investigation so far has been disappointingly anodyne. We seem further from the truth than ever. There is a soft centre to the inquiry. It is directed in public at Brothers and other witnesses from the Orders, while the abused are confined to private sessions or one-to-one hearings. There is the fact that witnesses on behalf of the religious are answering most of the questions secondhand, at a remove from the appalling revelations that continue to emerge. The scrutiny of their testimony is at best slack. The latest of the revelations are contained in the searing account by Peter Tyrrell in his posthumous memoir, ‘Founded on Fear’, and recently published. It takes the miserable story back in time into the late 1920s, demonstrating the terrible fixation on brutality that pervaded industrial schools. Judge Ryan has also undertaken, rather belatedly, a potentially important investigation into the key question of finance. This has been given to an international company based in Paris called Mazars. I feel concern for their future credibility in the work they are doing. Mazars’ work is in the field of business advice involving ‘forensic investigations’. That is precisely what we have here. But do Mazars see it thus? They have an office in Dublin. The report is already in draft form. If true, this is astonishing. It suggests that the following complex investigations have been carried out. Firstly, a detailed and comprehensive analysis of the Irish State’s voted per-capita grants to the industrial schools and reformatories from the 1920s to the 1970s, together with an equally thorough investigation of the numbers of inmates, year on year, in each of the roughly 25 institutions involved. The research resources for this ‘forensic analysis’ are indeed there, somewhere. But the records have not been found or submitted in full to the Commission on Child Abuse and anyone seeking them from scratch would need a major team of researchers. There has been no report of such investigation and no comment on progress in any of the many announcements from the Commission. And there is another problem: while the institutions were paid what was essentially an adequate grant per inmate to cover physical protection, board and keep, good nourishing food, care of health and welfare with dental and optical attention – none of which happened – no records were kept. Furthermore, the industrial schools used child labour to help in the earning capacities of each institution. Some of them, like Daingean, were highly rated as successful agricultural ‘performers’ in Offaly, making profits for the reformatory, profits that were earned by child labour. No accounting of this exists. It did not educate the children or provide them with better food or care. The testimony on this is huge and incontrovertible. For Mazars to stand over the required report would be a miracle. Into the bargain, they are working with the religious but are not meeting the victims. IN 1961 an Irish rural family, two adults, two children, father unemployed, would receive £2 2s 6d a week. There was a further payment of 13s 6d for the second child in the family, making the total for the four people £2 16s; (no payment was made for the first child). This meant 14s a week per person as subsistence. The per-capita payment, at the same date, for a single child in an industrial school was £3 9s 9d a week. There were, in addition, block grants. What Mazars make of all this is going to be the next interesting discovery… By Bruce Arnold

Mazars is an international, integrated and independent organisation, specialised in audit, accounting, tax and advisory services.

Mazars can rely on the skills of 13 000 professionals operating in 58 countries. As the market challenger, Mazars is fully able to provide large corporate multinational firms with seamless tailored solutions. Its complete, adaptable and flexible range of services also makes Mazars perfectly able to serve smaller companies and owner-managed businesses as well as high net worth individuals.

All Mazars staff are bonded by strong quality guidelines, determined to exceed technical and ethical standards and convinced that passion for accountancy, rigour in the way they perform their job on a daily basis and open-mindedness are the keys to success.

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Having read the transcript this morning of Judge Sean Ryans “slap on the wrist” to Christian Brother, Seamus SHambles Nolan, one can’t help but feel some small stirrings of “sympathy” for Shambles Nolan. Padraig Lankford, well, that’s another matter and NO DOUBT Sean Ryan had his OWN REASONS for SPIT ROASTING Lankford. The archetypal URIAH HEEP, regardless of Lankfords ducking and diving, HE WAS HELD TO ACCOUNT BY RYAN. Poor old Shambles Nolan, UNBRIEFED and wholly unsuspecting of the caustic wit of Sean ryan, wit, interspersed with UNFLINCHING ACCURACY to its recipient, Lankford, was NOT lost on those present who AT LAST witnessed the acceptable spectacle of SEAN RYAN DISPORTING FOR ALL TO SEE THE PRONOUNCED “FANGS” of Ryan as they sunk deeply into the growing and unacceptable aquiescence which Lankford was left with NO choice but to render TOTAL CAPITULATION to the superior mind he assumed he was capable of entering into a little “”sabre rattling”” with Mr Lankford, lost. Despite the conclusion, in the event, NO CONCLUSION as to whether or not these “QUESTIONNAIRES” will or will not be handed over, I feel we are about to be presented with some more “courtroom theatre” in regard to those two. MY MONEY HAS TO BE ON RYAN, as past events have PROVED THAT THE VENERABLE LANKFORD IS SOMEWHAT PREDISPOSED TO THE “ODD EMOTIONAL, UNCONTROLLED OUTBURST, NOW AND AGAIN” However, the events of Wednesdays proceedings leave one or two unexplained ‘areas’ which may add a sense of continuum in their own right, not least the FACT, PERHAPS TO BE ESABLISHED, OF WHETHER OR NOT THE OBLATES OF DAINGEAN FOLLOWED THE SAME PROCEDURE IN ISSUING “QUESTIONNAIRES”, AND IF SO, PLUS OF COURSE, “INTERVIEWS” WITH PREVIOUS OR EVEN EX-SERVING MEMBERS OF DAINGEAN, WITH LIVING “PHYSICAL” EXPERIENCE OF DAINGEAN, IF EXISTING, WERE ALSO HANDED OVER TO THE COMMISSION! WILL THE “ARCHIVIST” FOR DAINGEAN, Father MICHAEL “TAFFY” HUGHES BE SUMMONED BACK TO THE COMMISSION TO ANSWER YEAH THE affirmative OR NAY, OR OTHERWISE!  The beat goes on. Bruce Arnold raises a most intriguing point in respect of the monies allocated to these Gulags for the upkeep of children, as the black garbs in the past REFUSED to render their accounts for auditing, HOW WILL THIS INVESTIGATION INTO THE AUDITING OF THESE GULAGS SUCCEED IN ANY WAY. Are we about to witness MORE SKULLDUGGERY! A VICTIM /SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

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Re: Commission to Inwuire into child institutional abuse..
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Some comments, from a concerned victim, with the benefit of increasingly doubt-filled hindsight“ on the origins, bona fides, terms of reference, due expectations and due performance, to date, of the Ryan Investigation Commission into Child Abuse.

1.  Apologies how are you?

The first official acknowledgement that a significant amount of brutal, perverse and chronically damaging deeds had been committed against children in the care of the State’s Institutional schools by a sizable number of “take your pick“ employees/ associates/ members of unincorporated bodies of Religious Orders, run under the “take your pick 2“ stewardship/ agency/ direct instructions of, naturally, previous dumber and dumber Governments duly emerged in a public apology made by the Taoiseach and addressed to the then unnumbered and widely scattered, but tragically reduced (largely by suicide or by so-called ˜self-destructive lifestyles) surviving victims long after the general public was boggled with, if not already bored with the whole subject.

After all, there had been decades of ever-more-graphic details in newspapers about cases of sexual abuse against children in State-licensed institutions, as well as a steady output of books, plays and movies depicting the scary regimes operating behind the misnomers that Religious childcare neatly concealed.

While it is fair to say that the Taoiseach’s apology was generally welcomed by victims at the time (We felt that, at last, we would have a real chance of being believed instead of, as was the norm for those incarcerated, being blamed, physically punished or, at best, merely pushed away when we ventured to complain) in the light of the recent Jesuitical-style apologies emitted by spokespersons for the institutions to the Ryan Committee, the whole concept of apology has now soured, for this victim at least, from being a spark of hope on the road to discovery“ essentially Why did this happen to me? into what I now see as a cynical damage limitation exercise“ a characteristically cold and calculated reaction from the Church Establishment to appease outraged feelings among its flock while, with the same vicious stroke, repositioning victims as unworthy whingeing perpetrators of the villainy which, by sly inference, had us institutionalised in the first place:

“We apologise.  Yes, we had a few bad apples; but it was largely the children who committed the abuse on each other.”

We apologise for the wrongs done; but we’re concerned at the numbers of alleged victims now coming forward only after they saw the possibility of getting monetary awards.

For the record“ dismiss all images of cider-swilling, drugged-up, car-joy-riding Dangers-to-Society lusting for Lotto-like awards“ the ˜villainy that had me institutionalised, at four years of age, was an Order of the Court, with the reluctant acceptance by my mother, because she was unmarried and in no financial position to continue caring for me; the Court specifying that I be taken care of by a particular order of nuns in a specific convent.

My mother did not agree, however and was not even consulted about my later transfer to the hellhole school that was instrumental in putting a stop to my education, in terrorising me from being a normal infant with a future“ top of my class in reading and writing at my old convent“ into being depressed and fearful child, afraid to close my eyes in the dormitory lest the abusers catch me unawares, reduced in my labours (yes, for all but a chosen few boys, this school’s was effectively a child labour camp) in ever-reducing steps to working, like some brute animal, on the school dump, or to me being transferred for periods, as part of the peculiar alternative disciplinary resolution of this school, into mental hospitals; all of which led to my mother losing track of my whereabouts and to me being ultimately told by the mental hospital nurses the cruelly unhinging lie that she was dead.

My first reaction to the performance of the Ryan Committee is, therefore, astonishment and real anger that it’s only reaction to the shameless PR attack by the religious powers-that-be on the past victims of their concerted abuse was a limp Thank you very much Father/ Brother/ Sister, Overawed and Underwhelmed? From: a victim/survivor of institutional abuse.

No Confidence in the Ryan Commission.

October 16, 2006

Albert King on behalf of Mary King. (Victim of institutional child abuse)

When one reads the transcripts of the Ryan Commission Phase 3 hearings it’s quite clear that victims of institutional child abuse have no confidence in the Ryan Commission.

It’s also quite clear that both the Redress Board and the Ryan Commission still show signs of having quit planet earth, for different destinations.

Almost every man and woman who has experienced institutional child abuse has had the Redress Board and the Ryan Commission up to here, and yearns to have something done about it.

Instead of making the Redress Board and the Ryan Commission a better place for victims of institutional child abuse, Ahern and his henchmen created a vast edifice of public disinformation, to make it seem a better place.

Almost every word Ahern and his henchmen have spoke in relation to the Redress Board and the Ryan Commission would have been perjury had they been on oath.

Albert King on behalf of Mary King. (victim of institutional child abuse. Phase III – Witness Examination Experts.
July 4, 2006

Phase III – Witness Examination Experts.

When one looks at the transcript of the Phase III public hearing of June
20th 2006, there appears to be more questions than answers from the Ryan
Commission in relation to the issue of the “experts”.
The Progress Report and Plan dated 3rd May 2006, and the timetable for the Phase III public hearings In relation to the “experts” was originally set for the 8th and 9th June 2006, until the “experts” were taken off. It’s quite clear that the Ryan Commission had known the names of the “experts” long before they were taken off the original timetable. It begs the question – why did the Ryan Commission withhold the names of the “experts” until their names were received in a letter from the Ryan Commission dated 15th June 2006, which is well after the “experts” were taken off the original timetable. The hearings with regard to the “experts” have not been re – scheduled. However, the Ryan Commission engaged the following list of “experts” to assist the Ryan Commission:

1. Mazars will examine funding in a number of institutions.
2. Professor David Gwynn Morgan will report on:
(i) Historical background
(ii) Pathways into institutions
3. Professor Anthony Staines will examine health issues and health recording
in institutions.
4. Professor Robbie Gilligan will examine relevant recent institutional
history post the Kennedy Report and current issues in childcare with
reference to making recommendations.
5. Mr. Ciaran Fahey, Chartered Engineer, will report on buildings in a
number of institutions.
6. Professor Alan Carr has been engaged to carry out a survey of a
representative body of former residents of institutions.
7. Mr. Patrick Brennan and Mr. Richard Rollinson are expected to furnish
reports on general childcare issues to enable comparisons to be made
historically and with reference to U.K experience.
8. Mr. Diarmaid Ferriter is expected to report on relevant historical
issues.
It should be quite clear that the Ryan Commission will not be able to
fast-track its findings without the re-scheduled hearings in relation to the
eight “experts”.
Furthermore, it should be perfectly clear that we have never had confidence
in the Ryan Commission since the letter and resignation of Honourable,
Justice Mary Laffoy in 2003.
Finally, we predict that a large number of complaints will surface before
and especially after the Ryan Commission has completed its findings.

Albert King, on behalf of Mary King. Victim of institutional child abuse

Christian Brothers still holding back the truth on child abuse and money’

Saturday December 2nd 2006

JUDGE Sean Ryan displayed serious annoyance and frustration with the lawyers representing the Christian Brothers at Wednesday’s public hearing of the Investigation Committee of the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse, of which he is chairman.

He said he was uneasy to the point of suspicion as to the motives of the Christian Brothers in withholding questionnaires and statements made by the Brothers who worked in industrial schools where there was abuse.

The suspicion is by no means new to the rest of us, but to see it coming from Judge Ryan was a welcome development, as were his strong criticisms of the whole performance by the legal team for the Brothers and by Brother Seamus Nolan, who has been appearing as Christian Brother spokesman during public hearings.

Last May, he gave an undertaking that the documents would be given to the Commission. Now, legal privilege is apparently being claimed, though this was not absolutely clear.

It seemed also that what the lawyers knew was different from what Brother Nolan knew.

He had his own views on the documents and how useful they might, or might not, be but was not aware of the correspondence between the Christian Brothers and the Commission. Yet he is their spokesman! It was not surprising – indeed, it was welcome – to hear Judge Ryan describing the organisation’s performance as “deliberately offensive”.

These are gross delaying tactics.

The questionnaires and statements are probably as Brother Nolan described them, not containing “anything of great note”.

They date from 2000, in the early days of the State’s attempts to investigate abuse, a great deal of it believed to have taken place in Christian Brother institutions. Investigation so far has been disappointingly anodyne. We seem further from the truth than ever.

There is a soft centre to the inquiry. It is directed in public at Brothers and other witnesses from the Orders, while the abused are confined to private sessions or one-to-one hearings.

There is the fact that witnesses on behalf of the religious are answering most of the questions secondhand, at a remove from the appalling revelations that continue to emerge.

The scrutiny of their testimony is at best slack. The latest of the revelations are contained in the searing account by Peter Tyrrell in his posthumous memoir, ‘Founded on Fear’, and recently published. It takes the miserable story back in time into the late 1920s, demonstrating the terrible fixation on brutality that pervaded industrial schools.

Judge Ryan has also undertaken, rather belatedly, a potentially important investigation into the key question of finance. This has been given to an international company based in Paris called Mazars. I feel concern for their future credibility in the work they are doing.

Mazars’ work is in the field of business advice involving ‘forensic investigations’.

That is precisely what we have here. But do Mazars see it thus? They have an office in Dublin. The report is already in draft form.

If true, this is astonishing. It suggests that the following complex investigations have been carried out. Firstly, a detailed and comprehensive analysis of the Irish State’s voted per-capita grants to the industrial schools and reformatories from the 1920s to the 1970s, together with an equally thorough investigation of the numbers of inmates, year on year, in each of the roughly 25 institutions involved.

The research resources for this ‘forensic analysis’ are indeed there, somewhere. But the records have not been found or submitted in full to the Commission on Child Abuse and anyone seeking them from scratch would need a major team of researchers. There has been no report of such investigation and no comment on progress in any of the many announcements from the Commission.

And there is another problem: while the institutions were paid what was essentially an adequate grant per inmate to cover physical protection, board and keep, good nourishing food, care of health and welfare with dental and optical attention – none of which happened – no records were kept.

Furthermore, the industrial schools used child labour to help in the earning capacities of each institution. Some of them, like Daingean, were highly rated as successful agricultural ‘performers’ in Offaly, making profits for the reformatory, profits that were earned by child labour. No accounting of this exists. It did not educate the children or provide them with better food or care. The testimony on this is huge and incontrovertible.

For Mazars to stand over the required report would be a miracle. Into the bargain, they are working with the religious but are not meeting the victims.

IN 1961 an Irish rural family, two adults, two children, father unemployed, would receive £2 2s 6d a week. There was a further payment of 13s 6d for the second child in the family, making the total for the four people £2 16s; (no payment was made for the first child). This meant 14s a week per person as subsistence.

The per-capita payment, at the same date, for a single child in an industrial school was £3 9s 9d a week. There were, in addition, block grants. What Mazars make of all this is going to be the next interesting discovery.

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Orphans died because nuns didn’t want them seen in nightgowns.
Sunday November 5th 2006 NICOLA TALLANTTHIRTY-five orphans who perished in a blaze in Cavan more than 60 years ago were locked into their dormitories as the fire raged because nuns didn’t want them seen in their nightgowns.

The shocking claims are made in a new TV documentary which investigates the fire at St Joseph’s Orphanage in 1943. One of the 50 children who were rescued claims that the children were ordered to say the Rosary as the fire spread from the laundry to the second and third floors of the building.

The full truth has never emerged but it is now claimed that all the children could have been saved.

Cavan farmer Matt McKiernan lost his two sisters, Mary Elizabeth and Susan, on the night of the fire. They had been sent to St Joseph’s six months previously when their mother died. “They were two lovely girls and we never imagined when they went in there that they would never have come out again,” he says.

On the night of February 23, 1943, while war raged across Europe, a small fire started in the laundry of the old building. Within 45 minutes it gutted the entire school, leaving only smouldering remains. Sarah, who has asked the makers of Scannal not to identify her, was one of the last to escape and has never spoken before about her experience.

“I arrived in St Joseph’s in the Thirties and I remember going in. I was only five but I remember these huge white marble steps. It is still very clear in my mind today.” She remembers how the fire raged. “Someone was looking out the window and saw the smoke but it must have caught quickly because the next thing was that this smoke was coming in.”

Locals in O’Sullivan’s bar were about to finish up for the night. One of them, Sissy Reilly, saw flames coming from the orphanage and sounded the alarm. Local man John McKiernan recalls: “We tried to make our way up the stairs but we were beaten back by the flames. We were overcome with smoke.” The documentary claims that one teacher, Miss Harrington, who was looking after Our Lady’s dormitory, located in the middle of the building, rescued the children in her care after she was awoken by the smell of smoke.

But it was the girls on the top floor, under the control of Bridget O’Reilly, who would perish in the blaze. There was one fire exit on the top floor but O’Reilly left it bolted and moved the children from one dorm to another where she felt there was less smoke.

She then went down the stairs and left the building herself as it filled with smoke.

Local Michael Holmes says: “I have it from a reliable source that one of the reasons the children weren’t taken out was because the nuns didn’t want them to be seen in their nightgowns.

“It took a long time for locals to gain admittance to the building. But instead of being directed to the top floor where the children were, they were asked to go into the laundry to fight the fire,” he explained.

“What happened was a scandal. It took 45 minutes for the building to be burned to the ground. They say that there was a good chance of every single person surviving if they had been brought down the stairs and out the door in the first 15 minutes.”

The Cavan fire brigade arrived in a handcart with a fire hose but it was ill-equipped, with a punctured hose and faulty ladders. “When I came to, I was sitting on the window ledge,” Sarah remembers. “There was nobody there with me. People below were shouting at me to jump but I just absolutely froze. I reckoned I was going to die. I could hear the glass cracking and could see the flames getting nearer and nearer. Then someone got hold of my feet and dragged me down the ladder and I was brought to the surgicalhospital.”

Paddy Doyle was sleeping at the army barracks in Cavan town on the night and was woken to help with the clear-up operation.

“We were told to find bodies. There were all these children. We were just picking up bodies and bringing them out to quilts laid out on the square. You wouldn’t recognise anything.” Workers could only find enough remains to fill eight coffins so the bodies were buried together in a mass grave.

Sarah recalls the funerals: “I was going over to the chapel to the mass and there was this big sheet on the playground spread out. Someone kept saying not to look, but of course you look. I didn’t even realise it then that they were all bodies there. All in lumps.”

She explains how it affected her: “When I saw all the coffins – that is when it really hit me. They were all my friends that I used to play with. We used to joke and laugh and play together in the fields and they were all gone.”

When Local Government Minister Sean McEntee established an 11-day public inquiry into the cause of the fire, the nuns were allowed give their evidence from the comfort of the convent, and hired senior lawyers to represent them.

The inquiry report was published that year and concluded that there was no one to blame for the deaths. It found that the locals were unfamiliar with the layout of the building and that there was a lack of leadership on the night.

It recommended amending the fire-escape regulations within industrial schools and called on a national fire brigade to be established.It was found that an electrical fault was to blame for the fire.

“I don’t talk about it now. That fire to me is part of my private life,” Sarah confides, “That life is gone. It is bad memories and I don’t go back.”

Irish Independent
36 Die in Cavan Orphanage Fire

November 5, 2006

The Cavan Fire
In the early hours of a February morning in 1943 fire broke out in the basement laundry of St. Joseph’s Orphanage & Industrial School run by the enclosed order of Poor Clare nuns in Main St., Cavan town. The fire very quickly turned into an inferno. The alarm was raised by horrified townspeople who tried to help. At first they could not gain access to the convent and when they were admitted it was almost too late too reach the terrified, screaming children, trapped in the top floor dormitories. A hugely inadequate fire service meant that within forty minutes the flames had taken hold, the roof had caved in and the building was left just a shell. Thirty five children and an elderly lay woman burned to death. The following day the remains of the thirty six bodies were recovered from the smoldering ruin. They were put in just eight coffins and buried subsequently in a mass grave.

The horrific tragedy became national front page news and controversy about locked fire exits and why the children were not evacuated in good time gave the impetus for a public Tribunal of Inquiry. But the results of the Inquiry raised almost more questions than it answered. The inquiry was viewed as a whitewash by some as there was no attempt to hold anyone directly responsible.

“In Cavan there was a great fire,
Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire,
It would be a shame, if the nuns were to blame,
So it had to be caused by a wire.”
Dogerel penned by
Brian O“ Nualain (aka Myles na gCopaleen)
Secretary to the Tribunal of Inquiry.

While the Tribunal of Inquiry did make some reccomendations which were the basis of reform of local fire fighting services and fire safety standards in Industrial Schools – the locked fire exits were to have horrific echoes in the Stardust almost 40 years later. Some argue that the true story of what really happened that night and why so many children were burned to death was not uncovered.

“Duradh liom agus creidim an ta a dairt liom a  Gur ceann de na fathanna nar tugadh na paista­ amach An Ait na nach raibh na mna rialta ag iarraidh go mbeidh siad feicithe agus feisteas oache orthu.” Machea¡l Holmes – Craoltar

(“One of the reasons given why the children were not evacuated in time was that the nuns did not want the girls to be seen in their night clothes”)

However one thing is certain, for those who were involved in the fire the nightmare still lives on

“It’s a miracle I was alive after that … when they put a ladder up it wouldn’t reach. I kept looking around and I thought – I’m going to die here. The flames were coming nearer and nearer. I could hear glass cracking, cracking – I thought I’m going to die…”
Sarah – Survivor of the fire

Sarah (not her real name) was one of the last girls to be rescued that night from the burning building; it’s a trauma which has haunted her life. The memories are as vivid 63 years on as she tells her story for the first time publicly but the stigma felt by inmates of such institutions then, for her, has not diminished either.

“Sure no-one would imagine that that would happen…. my two sisters – yes they went into meet their deaths…that’s all I can think about.”
Matt McKiernan – Brother of Mary & Susan McKiernan who perished in the fire.

Cavan man, Matt McKiernan still feels the acute pain of the loss of his two sisters who perished in the fire. They had been placed in the Industrial school only 6 months earlier after the death of their mother because the local Roman Catholic priest felt it was not appropriate that young girls be looked after by a protestant neighbour or even their own father.

Scannal talks to some of the people who risked their own lives to try to save the children and who had the unenviable task of recovering the bodies afterwards.

“I think I’d like to forget it because it was one of the saddest days I ever remember in my life… something like 9/11 it was dreadful…” John McKiernan – Rescuer

This week Scannal examines the events of that night and the scandal of how 35 young girls & one old woman were burned to death because of a deadly combination of incompetence and arrogant narrow mindedness, officially swept neatly under the carpet of a smug era where children and especially those kind of children really did not count.

Those who lost their lives in the fire

Mary Harrison (15yrs Dublin )
Mary Hughes (15yrs Killeshandra)
Ellen McHugh (15yrs Blacklion)
Kathleen & Frances Kiely (12yrs & 9yrs Virginia)
Mary & Margaret Lynch ( 15yrs & 10yrs Cavan)
Josephine & Mona Cassidy ( 15yrs & 11yrs Belfast)
Kathleen Reilly (14yrs Butlersbridge)
Mary & Josphine Carroll (12yrs & 10yrs Castlerahan)
Mary & Susan McKiernan (16yrs & 14yrs Dromard)
Rose Wright (11yrs Ballyjamesduff)
Mary & Nora Barrett ( 12yrs -Twins – Dublin)
Mary Kelly (10 Ballinagh)
Mary Brady (7yrs Ballinagh)
Dorothy Daly (7yrs Cootehill)
Mary Ivers (12yrs Kilcoole Wicklow )
Philomena Regan (9yrs Dublin)
Harriet & Ellen Payne (11yrs & 8yrs Dublin)
Teresa White (6yrs Dublin)
Mary Roche (6yrs Dublin)
Ellen Morgan (10yrs Virginia)
Elizabeth Heaphy (4yrs Swords)
Mary O’Hara (7yrs Kilnaleck)
Bernadette Serridge (5yrs Dublin)
Katherine & Margaret Chambers (9 & 7yrs Enniskillen)
Mary Lowry (17yrs Drumcrow, Cavan)
Bridget & Mary Galligan (17 & 18yrs Drumcassidy, Cavan)
Mary Smith (80yrs employed as Cook)

Comment

That Ireland today is even aware of the tragedy attests to the impact of Mavis Arnold and Heather Laskey’s groundbreaking publication, Children of the Poor Clares: The Story of an Irish Orphanage (Belfast: Appletree Press, Ltd., 1985). In the official government inquiry, neither the religious order that managed the industrial school nor the local district council were found culpable despite evidence to suggest the institution was not in compliance with regulations regarding fire drills and locked fire-escapes. However, as Arnold and Laskey report, the legacy of the tragedy remains the conviction that the nuns’ first reaction, before they realized the seriousness of the situation, was to avoid having themselves or the girls be seen in their nightclothes. For this reason, many believe, the girls were ushered back into their dormitories from which the raging fire ultimately allowed no escape.

Cavan Fire Inquiry Motion.

Seanad Eireann – Volume 27 – 10 March, 1943

Mrs. Concannon Mrs. Concannon

Mrs. Concannon: On behalf of Senator Quirke I move:”

That it is expedient that a tribunal be established for inquiring into the following definite matters of urgent public importance, that is to say:”

The cause of the fire which occurred during the night of Tuesday, the 23rd February, 1943, at St. Joseph’s Orphanage, Main Street, Cavan, and the circumstances in which loss of life was occasioned by the said fire, and to make such recommendations in relation thereto as the tribunal may think proper.

Mr. Baxter Mr. Baxter

Mr. Baxter: If I may, I should like to second this motion to set up an inquiry into the cause of the fire which occurred in Cavan on Tuesday, the 23rd February.

Naturally when a great tragedy like this strikes a small community, such as ours in Cavan, there is, as there should be, a searching of mind and soul to discover what and where are the weaknesses which make it possible for such a catastrophe to come upon us.

Up to the present the public know only what was served up to them through the daily newspapers.

However undesirable it may be that the daily Press should institute a sort of inquiry into such a catastrophe, without indeed being very well equipped to do so in the circumstances, we have no complaint to make of what the public were told in regard to the occurrence, with the exception of the report and a comment in the Irish Times.

We welcome this inquiry. All intimately or remotely concerned are glad of the Minister’s decision to hold an inquiry.

We welcome it and all possible facilities will be afforded the tribunal by the interested parties of the religious Order and the ecclesiastical authorities as well.

For various reasons, as I have said, through the Press and the Press alone have the public been told anything about this fire.

It is regrettable that an organ of opinion like the Irish Times should have acted and written as unwisely as it did in the circumstances.

It caused very considerable pain, it may be without knowing it.

The religious community who are the sufferers to the greatest extent by this catastrophe feel that they were hardly treated fairly.

The Minister’s action is welcome because there is an urgent necessity in the first place to prove or disprove some of the things that have been written and circulated from one end of Ireland to the other and, perhaps, outside our shores as well.

In its editorial on the fire, the Irish Times asked the question: “Is it reasonable, in this year of grace, 1943, that more than 80 children should be housed in buildings that lack fire escapes/”

That statement was not true.

Other statements were made about the difficulties of gaining access to the buildings, and the facilities placed at the disposal of the people who went into them by the members of the religious community.

There were some statements made about the difficulty of procuring keys, but that is really a misrepresentation of the facts.

In great trouble like this, people, the public and the Press in particular—should be doubly careful about what they say and write, lest a great injustice may be done.

Hence it is that the Minister’s decision to set up an inquiry is comforting and encouraging to all interested in the situation that has been created and in the trouble that has come upon the religious community, the town of Cavan and the surrounding neighbourhood.

I should say that really the truth is that the period from the time when the fire was discovered at approximately 2 o’clock until the last possible rescue of the last child at a quarter to three, was so short, the fire had got such a hold, the difficulties that confronted the few people who had discovered the fire in dividing their energies and in trying to provide more help were so great, their attempts to effect rescues from the room into which they went until it was flooded with smoke, and to get equipment to reach a building four storeys high were so unavailing, and the efforts of the number of people who congregated in that time had to be scattered over so many different activities, that it is little less than miraculous that so much was achieved.

Mr. Crosbie Mr. Crosbie

Mr. Crosbie: On a point of order, are we holding an inquiry now in this House into the fire?

Leas-Chathaoirleach Leas-Chathaoirleach

Leas-Chathaoirleach: I think it is undesirable to have any statements affecting matters that will be the subject of inquiry.

Mr. Crosbie Mr. Crosbie

Mr. Crosbie: The matter is surely sub judice.

Leas-Chathaoirleach Leas-Chathaoirleach

Leas-Chathaoirleach: The whole matter will come before the inquiry.

Mr. Baxter Mr. Baxter

Mr. Baxter: I do not want to say anything that is not in order.

This may not interest Senator Crosbie, but if Senator Crosbie were a member of our small community down there, about whom so much has been said and written that is not true, Senator Crosbie would feel that there were impelling reasons why we should hold this inquiry.

Much has been said that is untrue. It has gone out to the public and has not yet been contradicted.

I felt, therefore, that there was justification for giving in this House the reasons why we welcome this inquiry.

I think I am within my rights in saying that I do know that in such a catastrophe there are lengths to which decent people will not go.

The charity of silence is often much more powerful and fairer to afflicted people than any desire for work of a spectacular nature on the part of newspapers however attractive it may be from the point of view of circulation, it is undesirable that, when tragedies come upon the country, people should feel an impelling urge to describe them in the most gruesome form and in a manner that may be very unfair.

When the commission starts its investigations, I think that a tale of marvellous heroism will be unfolded, and that those who misunderstand at present, because they have not been given the facts, will then see the facts in their proper light.

This will have a restraining influence on people who desire to speak of these things in a manner that should not be encouraged.

Perhaps the House does not desire me to go further than that: at least some Senators obviously are not anxious that I should.

I would like the Minister to give some information, of a more explanatory nature than he gave in the Dáil, when he indicated his intention to set up this commission of inquiry, with regard to the personnel of the commission.

The Minister indicated that it was not a question of trying to fix blame or responsibility, and I am sure that view would be accepted.

We have been thinking about this locally, to find the weaknesses in our defences.

If this inquiry is to result in securing our communities against such occurrences in the future, it must fix responsibility somewhere.

We must discover the causes of the weaknesses and, probably, we will have to distribute the causes over different authorities and even different persons.

Even Government Departments have partial responsibility in this matter and in arranging the personnel the Minister should give consideration to that aspect.

Those who are interested in the holding of the inquiry would be happier if the Minister would recognise that it will be impossible for the commission to make a report without finding faults or weaknesses somewhere.

It is quite conceivable that responsibility might be fixed with a certain disregard for the actions or efforts of different parties in the past to provide against occurrences like this.

The Minister would be well advised to indicate that the chairman of the commission would be a lawyer, that someone acquainted with fire-fighting would be another member and that an inspector of his own or of some other Department would be included.

That third person, I gather, would be from some Department in contact with these institutions in the past, and that would make the commission better balanced and its judgment would be fairer.

It would make the people concerned at both ends feel that there would be a judicial approach to the questions which the Minister is putting to the commission.

I think it will be revealed that there is nothing to be shirked, nothing which cannot be discussed and that, as the circumstances were, everything that could be done was done.

If there were faults, they are faults which are to be found in a great many of our institutions.

That aspect is very important in regard to the personnel of the commission, and the Minister would be well advised to take it into account, especially in view of the fact that the Irish public has been given an interpretation of the position which is not true and which has tried sorely the feelings of people who have had a great burden put upon them.

It is a peculiar dispensation of Providence that that burden should be put upon those people.

Wrongs must be righted and it is important that the commission should watch every aspect of the case to ensure that the examination will be regarded as perfectly impartial and that the ultimate decision will be regarded as a judicial decision.

Mr. Hayes Mr. Hayes

Mr. Hayes: The Minister I know has no Departmental responsibility but as we are on this question of an inquiry will the Minister say whether an inquiry is to be held into the disaster in Waterford, although I know that is not a matter of local government?

Mr. MacEntee Mr. MacEntee

Mr. MacEntee: Of that I have no knowledge.

With regard to what Senator Baxter said I should like to say that I have reason to know that this inquiry will be welcomed by all concerned—I mean by those who have been most intimately and tragically associated with it.

Perhaps it conveys a wrong impression of my point of view if it is assumed that the commission will not have to fix responsibility.

I did say in the other House that I was setting up this commission not so much to find scapegoats as to try to find what were the weaknesses which led to this tragic and regrettable loss of life, and with a view to devising such safeguards as would prevent similar occurrences in the future.

I am not able to announce the personnel of the commission to-day.

There are certain formalities which have to be gone through between the Minister responsible for the setting up of this tribunal and the Department of Finance which have not yet been completed, and I am not yet at liberty to give precise details.

The chairman will be an experienced lawyer.

We have secured the consent of a person experienced in fire fighting and in fire prevention to act on the commission and I hope to secure a lady as third member of the commission.

She will not be an inspector of the Department of Education but she may be a lady who is attached to another Department.

The third member will in any event be a lady.

I should say we have had to ask for this tribunal because there is no Department which has special powers of holding what is in the nature of a sworn inquiry at which people can be compelled to produce evidence and papers.

I have taken the responsibility of setting up this tribunal because not merely the internal regulations which were supposed to be applicable to these buildings come into the question but also the sufficiency of the fire-fighting appliances in the town, and the measures which were taken to deal with the fire.

I would like to ask the general public and the Seanad to withhold judgment upon these issues until the committee has made its report.

I think that when the personnel of the committee is published it will command confidence.

Certainly it is my desire that the matter will be fully investigated and that whatever issues from the commission should receive general acceptance.

It is particularly my desire that the people in Cavan and those people elsewhere associated with institutions of this kind will realise that it has been a fair and just attempt, not indeed so much to find culprits, nor as I said to make scape goats of people, but to see how these things can occur and, having regard to the fact that there are numerous institutions of this kind throughout the country, to consider whether it is necessary for us considerably to revise the powers which we have for dealing with them, and for ensuring that the precautions which this disaster has shown to be necessary will always be taken.

I do not know that there is anything else I can add.

I have considered the question of putting a lay person on this commission, that is one who is not associated with any Government service, but my difficulty is that I do not want to ever weight it.

The industrial inspector, on the one hand, with knowledge of what is required in industrial undertakings in relation to fire prevention, and the experienced technician on the other hand, will be more or less assessors to guide and direct the chairman of the tribunal in relation to the investigation, and in consultation with him to make the necessary recommendations.

It might be very difficult to find a third person who would be as competent to do that as a person who is already familiar with factory and workshop regulations and the manner in which they are generally applied.

Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that it would be best to put there a person of the type I have mentioned.

However, my mind is not closed, and if suggestions are made to me between now and, say, Friday or Saturday, I will consider them.

I do not want to overload the tribunal.

The custom has been to keep the size of these tribunals as small as possible, down to three persons; indeed sometimes only one person has constituted the tribunal.

As a rule when there are technical questions involved there have been two or three.

If I can I do not want to exceed that number.

Question put and agreed to.

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2006-11-29 19:05:47 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin

Re: From the CrookedLawyers.com Guestbook {2}

Functions of the Residential Institutions Redress Board.

5.-(1) The Board shall-

(a) make awards in accordance with this Act which are fair and reasonable having regard to the unique circumstances of each applicant,
(b) make all reasonable efforts, through public advertisement, direct correspondence with persons who were residents of an institution and otherwise, to ensure that persons who were residents of an institution are made aware of the function, referred to in paragraph (a), of the Board,
(c) have regard to the age and health of an applicant when determining the order in which applications are heard by it, and
(d) ensure, in so far as is practicable, that hearings are conducted as informally as is possible having regard to all the circumstances.
(2) The Board shall have all such powers as are necessary or expedient for the performance of its functions.
(3) When considering an application under this Act the Board- (a) shall not address any issue of fault or negligence arising out of evidence given in an application under this Act, and
(b) shall not make a finding of fact relating to fault or negligence referred to in paragraph (a).
(4) The Board may-
(a) give directions for the purposes of exercising its functions under this Act, and
(b) make provision for the taking of evidence on commission for the purposes of this Act.

I see nothing in the above which shows that the Board has the power to verbally abuse the very people it was set up to help and further, if the Board is in violation of the Act by such abuse, why then are counsel and or solicitors not taking them to task at the time of the remarks and or abuse?

I would encourage people to be on the lookout for unwarranted and potentially abusive remarks when they appear and that each and every one of us instruct our counsel/solicitor to take any action necessary if such abuse is voiced.

Martin John Joseph Petty-O’Callaghan,

Innumerable claimants have complained a propos at the handling they have received at the hands of the RIRB. Conversely and regrettably so it has all been to no advantage. It still continues.
The victims/survivors were not only referring to the highly esteemed, panel board members, who are by now dishonourably notorious for their superciliousness and condescending manner, but also to the ordinary full-of-themselves run-of-the-mill staff in general. whom one would think would not be a party to this type of behaviour.

I will give two examples.
1.
One victim/survivor witnessed two high profile board members sneeringly giggling and whispering as they directly came out a board meeting where a very sick victim was in attendance. The latter {who could be heard quite plainly from the eavesdroppers’ vantage point} was logically as high as a kite as she was under rigorous scrutiny/investigation from these two arrogant high-status yuppie-type know-alls. In addition, she did not have the skills to lever with these two reprehensible malicious experts. The victim/survivor, who accidentally strayed from the beaten track, and who saw this decrepit, shameful and disgusting behaviour – was gobsmacked!. IT WAS SUFFICE IT TO SAY, IMMEDIATELY REPORTED TO CHRISTINE BUCKLEY. The impertinence of them! Who do they think they are?. The staff selected for this job should be highly trained as it is costing the state a hefty sum. Redressing the pain of the past, how are you. The public should be made aware of the paltry sums that are being thrown at victims/survivors of institutional abuse. Some have been offered as little as 10, 000, 12,000 and 25,000 Euro. A legal trainee receptioniist would, annually, be in receipt of last figure quoted. SO, SO, LITTLE FOR A LIFE TIME OF SUFFERING, AND TO THINK THAT ONE HAS TO BE FURTHER ABUSED IN THE SEEKING OF THE MINISCULE REDRESS, WHICH IS RIGHTFULLY THEIRS. IT SHOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN THAT ALL OF THOSE INTERNED IN THE GULAGS IN THE PAST ESPECIALLY IN THE EARLIER YEARS WORKED EXCEEDINGLY HARD DAY IN AND DAY OUT FOR DECADES AND WERE NEVER RECOMPENSED FOR IT.
2.
On arrival at the RIRB in Clonskeagh, Dublin 14, after a long and tedious two hour journey from down the country, a panic-stricken victim was suddenly, and brusquely ushered into a room by a very belligerent staff member. Two unfamiliar solicitors were already present in this room . A few minutes later the door was aggressively flung open, and in a most strident and piercing voice the shocked victim was asked for very private details, the miserable look  ON THE FACE OF THE UNCIVIL SERVANT added to it all. The poor, tired person was so beside him/herself – that all was immediately blocked out due to sheer shock. The victim/survivor had every reason to believe that he/she would be treated with kid gloves, This was not – sadly to say – the case at the Residential institutions Redress Board. Also, it would have been a welcome relief had the solicitors that were within the room, come to the aid of the victim/survivor, alas, as with everyone else, they too remained silent. Silence is golden and always was in Goldenbridge!.
I SINCERELY HOPE THAT THE ATTITUDES OF ALL OF THE REDRESS BOARD MEMBERS HAS CHANGED. IT WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTING TO KNOW IF VETTING PROCEDURES WERE/ARE IN PLACE, ALL ACROSS THE BOARD IN ORDER TO OBTAIN POSITIONS AT THE RIRB? AS IT IS DEALING WITH VERY SENSITIVE AND VULNERABLE VICTIMS/SURVIVORS….
THEY SHOULD COME WITH ‘HANDLE WITH CARE LABELS NOT WITH NUMBERS. AS THEY INVARIABLY WERE IN THE PAST, SOLICITORS GET VIP TREATMENT, SO WHY NOT THOSE OF WHOM THE RIRB WAS SET UP FOR IN THE FIRST INSTANCE. It is just not good enough and will not be tolerated for too much longer.

“Evil, unspeakable evil, rose in our midst, and we as a people were too weak, too indecisive, too pusillanimous to deal with it.” Kevin Myers, “An Irishman’s Diary”, Irish Times, October 20, 1999

Under hypnosis of the Redress Board so many victims/survivors are also too weak and hysterical to speak out.
Also, other RIRB pusillanimous staff – by their mere silence and indifference rubber-stamp the whims and the atrociously unacceptable negative conduct of their colleagues. So they too, by default – are also to blame. Marie-Therese O’Loughlin.

COMMENT:!   RE: LEGAL MATTERS PERTAINING TO THE RESIDENTIAL INSTITUTIONS REDRESS BOARD.

MY ADVISE:  DO NOT MAKE A STATEMENT TO THE GARDAI, UNTIL AFTER YOU ARE SATISFIED AS TO WHAT INSTITUTIONS “IT” THE REDRESS BOARD, IS DEALING WITH. WHAT IF YOU HAVE MADE A STATEMENT, TO THE GARDAI, THAT IS COVERED BY THE INDEMNITY DEAL?

IF YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED TO MAKE A STATEMENT (NOW) DO NOT…BECAUSE, YOU MAY DECIDE NOT TO ACCEPT ANY OFFER MADE BY THE BOARD…AND IF THAT DOES HAPPEN….AND YOU HAVE YOUR AWARD ‘REVIEWED’ BY THE COURTS…(BYPASS THE REVIEW BOARD!) “THEN” YOU SHOULD PROCEED TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO THE GARDAI. IN ORDER TO HAVE “TWO” ISSUES RUNNING HAND IN HAND. CIVIL AND CRIMINAL. HOWEVER, I THINK IT BEST THAT YOU ‘WAIT OFF’ TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO THE GARDAI, UNTIL THE REDRESS BOARD HAS COMPLETED ITS LAST CASE….BECAUSE, IT NO LONGER CAN GAG YOU…THUS, HAVING TWO MATTERS RUNNING SIDE BY SIDE, CRIMINAL AND CIVIL, THEN ONE PROTECTS THE OTHER, AND YOU!.

IT ALSO MEANS, THAT “YOU” HAVE THE UPPER HAND…AND CANNOT BE PUSHED AROUND…BY ANYONE!….NOT EVEN IF UNDER ANY PRESSURE TO ‘ACCEPT AN AWARD…THAT IS, UNTIL YOU ARE TOTALLY HAPPY WITH WHAT IS PUT ON THE TABLE, SO TO SPEAK!
The above advise was given to a victim/survivor of institutional abuse who is COURT BOUND! VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

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 11:58:40 Setanta

Re: From the CrookedLawyers.com Guestbook {2}

== Statement 9 == [LIES AND FALSE ALLEGATIONS OF CHILD ABUSE MADE BY CHILDREN FROM SAINT JOSEPHS ORPHANAGE KILKENNY CITY IRELAND.]

I submit that the Residential Institutions Redress Board, and the Acts which it operates under, are fundamentally flawed, and unconstitutional.

The Honorable, and Learned citizens who work and operate the Residential Institutions Redress Board are part and parcel of a system that is Crooked, Biased, Dictatorial, Secretive, Unfair, Unhelpful, and  Unfriendly.

These elusive professionals offer no good service to worthy, and Just people, and they encourage wrongful, and Vile behavior by unscrupulous applicants to the Board.

I submit that the Residential Institutions Redress Board functions  in blatant  violation of our National, European  and  International  Human, and Civil Rights.

The Redress Board is a legal body, and signed into Law by Irish Politicians,and the Irish Government, thereby implicating themselves, and the entire Irish Legal System, as being suspect of Collusion and Crooked misconduct .

Regards, Setanta.

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 #83 2006-12-01 21:54:18 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin

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Blankety Blank!.RE: RECALL OF THE CHRISTIAN BROTHERS TO THE COMMISSION TO INQUIRE INTO CHILD ABUSE

Judge Sean Ryan has ultimately woken up. It is notwithstanding very late in the day for him to try save his skin.
He lost all trustworthiness with some of the abuse groups leaders, and a vast majority of victims/survivors a very long time ago.
The docile mannered bearing engaged by{who was EXCLUSIVELY MADE JUDGE FOR THE SECOND-HAND job} Judge Ryan, throughout the entirety of the Commission’s work has been very much noticed, and I should add, tremendously resented by THE AFOREMENTIONED VICTIMS/SURVIVORS.

Conciliatory mollifying, and assuaging of the religious has thus been his hallmark. So it does not impress me in the slightest, the fact that he is now expressing anger and frustration. His conscience must be starting to prick him, OR, INDEED THERE IS SOMETHING more sinister TO THE BACK OF IT.
Can this Judge not see that the religious have been running the investigation show from beginning to end with the help of the ‘supposedly’ best legal minds of the country, as only the most expensive would be fitting for them!

“Do you think we have nothing else to do? Do you think the way your firm dealt with us was satisfactory?” the chairman asked – at the recall of the CHRISTIAN BROTHERS, OF CARRIGLEA PARK, TO THE COMMISSION TO INQUIRE INTO CHILD ABUSE ON WEDNESDAY, THE 29TH OF NOV, 2006.
I could throw similar questions back at his Lordship “DO YOU THINK THAT VICTIMS/SURVIVORS OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO”? The SIMPLE answer would be in the negative NO! NO! NO!
“DO YOU THINK THE WAY THE COMMISSION TO INQUIRE INTO CHILD ABUSE HAS DEALT WITH US WAS SATISFACTORY”?AGAIN – ANOTHER SIMPLE REPLY IN THE NEGATIVE NO! NO! NO!

IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A KNOWN FACT THAT THE RELIGIOUS LED JUDGE RYAN UP THE COMMISSION INVESTIGATION GARDEN PATH. so it should not be unsurprising that IT IS ONLY NOW THAT HE HAS COPPED ON.
HIS LORDSHIP, WHO IS NOW ALMOST AT THE END OF THE COMMISSION’S WORK IS FINALLY  “owning’ the situation, HAVING until now overly PREOCCUPIED HIMSELF WITH THE ALLURE AND THRILL OF BEING MADE A JUDGE!

THE JUDGE HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN A IN A ‘RYAN-WARP’! WAKE UP,  I REPEAT, WAKE UP JUDGE RYAN, THE WALKING SISTERS/CHRISTIAN BROTHERS HAVE STEWED TEA/ MAXWELL’S COFFEE {YOUR FAVOURITE BRAND} ON THE HOB WAITING FOR YOU, NOW THAT YOUR WORK IS NEARING ITS END, YOU CAN, WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE RELIGIOUS SHOW YOUR TRUE GRIT. YOU HAVE FULFILLED THEIRS/YOUR MISSION – AND THEY ARE PLEASED WITH YOU.

THE COMMISSION, has for a long time been nicknamed ‘THE RYAN WHITEWASH COMMISSION’,.. WHAT A GHASTLY DESIGNATION TO BE BRANDED WITH. THE RELIGIOUS ARE FAR MORE SMARMY, ON THE BALL, AND SMARTER THAN THE JUDGE, BUT NONE OF THEM THOUGH, BY A  LONG CHALK ARE AS SHARP, OR AS INTELLECTUAL AS THE ERSTWHILE JUDGE MARY LAFFOY. SHE SAW THROUGH THE RELIGIOUS AND BOWED OUT WITH DECORUM FOR THE REASON THAT SHE COULD NOT CONCEDE WITH THEIR TOMFOOLERY. JUDGE RYAN, ON THE OTHER HAND, REMAINED SILENT UNTIL NOW FOR FEAR OF LOSING HIS CUSHY JOB. I WOULD SURMISE, AND BECAUSE HE WAS MOST PROBABLY CONSTRAINED BY THE GOVERNMENT WHO REQUIRED THAT THE COMMISSION GO ON – AT ALL COSTS.

“Curiosity killed the cat information made him fat” if that is so, I would love to know if the judge belongs to OPUS DEI?
IT WOULD MAKE A BUNDLE OF SENSE to a quantity of the Commission’s kit IF HE WAS!

VICTIMS/SURVIVORS HAVE INDUBITABLY FROM THE KICK-OFF OF SEAN RYAN’S ENGAGEMENT WONDERED WHETHER HE WAS THE PRECISE PERSON FOR THE JOB. AS FAR AS THEY ARE CONCERNED NOT A SOUL WILL EVER TAKE THE SITUATE OF JUDGE MARY LAFFOY! …. SHE WAS/IS SO DECIDEDLY ESTEEMED BY ALL INSTITUTIONAL VICTIMS/SURVIVORS OF ABUSE AND THAT INCLUDES THE LEADER GROUPS. TO THIS DAY , AFTER SO MANY TEARS /YEARS SHE IS MISSED/GRIEVED SO VERY MUCH WHAT AN INDICTMENT INDEED!

Further comments from his Lordship at the Carriglea Park, Industrial School recall;

“He said the Commission had been “fobbed off” and “pushed from pillar to post” in a lengthy “sparring match” with the brothers’ lawyers. Their claim for privilege “waxes and wanes, comes and goes” and was then waived for some documents.
He asked whether the brothers, by sending the Commission a blank questionnaire after six months of giving it “the run-around”, were being deliberately offensive.

Blankety blank BLANKETY BLANK!
Judge Ryan, authoritatively sanctioned this escapade, so why should he be surprised that he is being pushed around!

PRESUMPTIOUSLY, IT IS ALL JUST A PR EXERCISE TO GIVE A GOOD IMPRESSION TO JOE PUBLIC! A BIG SHOW INDEED, TO SAVE FACE AT THE LAST MINUTE. IT IS NO USE BOLTING THE STABLE DOOR AFTER THE PRIZED HORSE HAS BEEN LET LOOSE.

At least the honourable Judge Mary Laffoy stood up to them and made the non co-operation of the religious – a resigning matter.
JUDGE RYAN would never have considered the same as it has been stated ON WEBSITES that THE JUDGE was never supposed to be the man for the job in the first instance. Anyway, why would a judge who came through the back door want to throw in the towel?
The Judge is on to a good thing. I ALSO HAVE A SNEAKING SUSPICION THAT HE IS ONLY A jumped-up government PUPPET AND THE GOVERNMENT IS THE VENTRILOQUIST.

JUDGE RYAN GETS PAID THE SAME SALARY IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT HE DOES, OR DOES NOT DO, OR SAYS. So basically, AT THE END OF IT ALL HE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE. HE IS ONLY FOLLOWING ORDERS.

HIS RESIGNATION WAS  RECENTLY CALLED FOR BY ABUSE GROUP LEADERS, BUT HE HAS IGNORED THEIR PLEAS Judge Sean Ryan is going nowhere until he HAS MOPPED UP ‘THE CORNERS ONLY’ OF THE SYSTEMATIC, ATROCIOUS ABUSE OF THE IRISH INDUSTRIAL SCHOOLS OF THE PAST.

SAMPLE ON SAMPLING, CHERRY PICKING, BLANKETY BLANK JUDGE RYAN. FOOLING VICTIMS/SURVIVORS CAN ONLY OCCUR SOME OF THE TIME. NOT ALL OF THE TIME. WE KNOW. THE CARRIGLEA RECALL IS JUST ANOTHER PART OF THE PLAY TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION  TO IRISH SOCIETY THAT THE COMMISSION IS SERIOUSLY INTERSTED IN THE TRUTH. THE JUDGE WOULD NOT RECOGNISE IT FOR THAT MATTER, IF IT WAS HANDED TO HIM IN THE FORM OF A GOLD NUGGET.

The following was also stated at the Commission.

“Maxwell’ SOLICITORS then requested a private meeting with the Commission lawyers but THEY refused this.
The Commission said it had come under pressure from victims’ groups for such meetings.
“To agree to meet the Christian Brothers privately, while it might have practical benefit, would expose the Commission to criticism and claims of inconsistency”. AGAIN, ANOTHER FRONT, PRETENDING TO APPEASE THE ABUSE GROUPS AT THE TAIL END OF IT ALL. THIS JUDGE RUNS WITH THE HARE AND SITS WITH THE HOUND WHEN IT SUITS HIM!

So the religious sought a private meeting with the Commission lawyers? VERY INTRIGUING INDEED! I wonder
was it only on this occasion that they were refused, because of pressure being brought to bear? For all we know the religious lawyers and the Commission could be drinking out of the same TOILET BOWL. GOLDENBRIDGE INMATES WOULD KNOW ALL ABOUT THOSE UNUSUAL ‘DRINKING HABITS’ WHICH WERE AN EVERY DAY OCCURRENCE. ALL IN IT TOGETHER SO TO SPEAK! NO I DO NOT MEAN THE BERTIE BOWL, THAT INCIDENTALLY NEVER MATERIALISED  THANKS TO ‘UMBRIA BOUND’ MARY}.

THE DENOUEMENT OF THE COMMISSION PLAY COULD ALSO BE A RUSE TO GIVE THE NATION THE IMPRESSION THAT ALL HAS BEEN DEALT WITH PROPERLY AS IS UNUTTERABLY ABOVE BOARD. Perhaps…the FATIGUED WEARY gullible public in its understanding, is oblivious to its internal workings and will not question the Chairman DUE TO extreme inertia AT THIS STAGE.

Again, at the Commission it was stated:

At this point, in mid-November, the brothers waived the privilege it was claiming in respect of Carriglea. Their lawyers sent a blank questionnaire to the commission“. Did you ever hear the likes of it, I just have to repeat it, as I am that mesmerised.
A BLANK QUESTIONNAIRE WAS POSTED to the COMMISSION TO INQUIRE INTO CHILD ABUSE. I WONDER WAS JUDGE RYAN MEANT TO PASS JUDGMENT ON THIS, OR WAS IT HOPED THAT NOBODY WOULD NOTICE THAT IT WAS BLANK.? God almighty, has the coffee gone to Maxwells’ solicitors’ head? I AM BLANKING OUT ON THIS STUNT.

Like everything else, did the brothers hope to get away with it?

Commission lawyers wrote back saying that they required completed questionnaires for all the brothers’ industrial schools.
“To agree to meet the Christian Brothers privately, while it might have practical benefits, would expose the Commission to criticism and claims of inconsistency”.
I LIKE THE SENTENCE: WHILE IT MIGHT HAVE PRACTICAL BENEFITS” TO WHOM, I WONDER? THE BROTHERS!

Embrace the slogan: “how do you call it quits on a BLANKETY BLANK character who is still breathing”? – such as: THE BLANKETY BLANK, sleepy head, Judge Sean Ryan!

Of course, the crusaders were losers in the short run, but Europe’s storytellers have traditionally awarded them the righteous victory and have not dwelt on the embarrassing denouement.

Though still only a prospect on the horizon, this, I think, could well be the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse. ONLY VICTORY What a denouement if it is!

The final resolution or clarification of the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse plot is the events following the climax of the outcome of other sequence of events,the end result, a REPORT. Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin.

COMMENT 1
LEGAL PRIVILEGE  as claimed by the black garbs CAN HAVE NO PLACE WHERE THE DETERMINATION OF CAUSE AND EFFECTS ISSUES ARE TANTAMOUNT TO TRUTH BEING ESTABLISHED AS EVIDENCED BY THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT OF THE COMMISSIONS REMIT TO ESTABLISH “WHAT WENT WRONG” in these Institutions “WHAT WENT WRONG” can ONLY be determined by the Ryan Commission BEING IN FULL POSSESSION of all relevant documentation. We see here these religious orders continuing to EXERCISE A POWER THEY SHOULD BE STRIPPED OFF. There can be no place nor exemptions for religious orders who are ON RECORD AS STATING THAT THE RAPING OF A CHILD WAS IN THEIR “EYES” merely a “moral offence”, this in itself must conclude that they can in no way be ARBITRATORS OF WHAT DOES, AND DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A CRIMINAL OFFENCE, OR MORE TO THE POINT, WHAT CONSTITUTES “EVIDENCE” AGAINST THEM  WHICH THESE QUESTIONNAIRES CLEARLY ARE, IT’S TIME THESE BLACK GARBS HAD SOMETHING OF A MORE SUBSTANTIAL NATURE THROWN AT THEM, SUCH AS WILFULLY, AND WITH MALICE AFORETHOUGHT, OBSTRUCTING A LAWFULLY CONSTITUTED COMMISSION. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 2
It’s not like the Christian Brothers to be so obtuse! If they told you to do something you either jumped to it or you got a savage beating, I know that one boy, at least, from Artane, who ended up in hospital after being beaten mercilessly by two Christian Brothers in a crowded and locked dormitory. Perhaps, Judge Ryan should institute proceedings along similar lines to make these fellows jump to it!. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 3

So much for the black garbs “ASSSTING THE COMMISSION”.Perhaps Sean Ryan should call SMILER Reynolds back and ask HIM to RELEASE ALL PAPERS “UNDER PRIVILEGE” CONCERNING THE DEATH OF YOUNG PATSY FLANAGAN? IM SURE SMILER WOULD BE HAPPY TO OBLIGE. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 4
Sister Helena O’ Donoghue should also be called back to the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse to give Judge Ryan the true version of Goldenbridge Industrial School despicable events. This sister should also start walking the Mercy walk and own up. The good sister only came into contact with the main protagonist during the time of the DEAR DAUGHTER documentary in 1995 or thereabouts.  ALSO, THE MAIN PROTAGONIST LEFT GOLDENBRIDGE IN 1963, AND WOULD BE BOUND BY THE MERCY ORDERS’. CONSTITUTION TO OBEDIENCE, OBEDIENCE, OBEDIENCE TO HER SUPERIOR. HER SUPERIOR BEING NONE OTHER THAN THE GOOD SISTER HELENA O’ DONOGHUE. SR FABIAN R.I.P. WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE END OF THE DAY A GOD-SEND TO GOLDENBRIDGE VICTIMS/SURVIVORS OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE. What she had to say reads like something out of an Agatha Christie thriller and it was not meant to be revealed to the Irish public on the other hand had Sr Mary Fabian lived. She ALSO would have been Mercy Order duty bound to keep Mercy Constitution ‘mums-the-word’. How dare Sister Helena, {who never entered the now demolished institution} who sat before the COMMMISION, and blabbered on about the regime that existed IN Goldenbridge when she knows absolutely nothing about it. IT IS INDEED VERY QUESTIONABLE AS TO HOW SHE COLLATED HER INFORMATION. How dare she also undermine THE INTOLERABLE SUFFERING THAT EX- DETAINEES HAD TO ENDURE CLAIMING THAT THE MANUFACTURING OF ROSARY BEADS WAS AN OCCUPATION AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT REALLY WAS = UNCONSTITUTIONAL SLAVE LABOUR. THE MERCY LEGAL TEAM HAD HER WELL DRILLED. Shame on Sister Helena O’ Donoghue, who in my estimation has a lot of WALKING TO DO BEFORE she CATCHES UP WITH HER FOUNDRESS VENERABLE CATHERINE MCAULEY. THE MERCY ORDER FAILED US MISERABLY WITH THE PROVINCIAL LEADERS, THIRD PARTY – GOLDENBRIDGE INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES….. THE SYSTEM, THE SYSTEM, THE SYSTEM, THE SYSTEM  THAT THE SUPERIOR PRATTLED ON ABOUT WAS NOT EXCESSIVELY HARSH FOR THE TIMES THAT WERE IN IT. WHAT A FANTASY SAGA INDEED!  SIGNED BY: PRISONER NUMBER, 155, + 39.
MARIE-THERESE O’LOUGHLIN

COMMENT 5

RE: The Commission to  Inquire into Child Abuse – Carriglea Park,  Recall.
The lack of support for Brother Dapper-Dan Nolan by his fellow Brothers and legal team speaks volumes, this Brother has been hung out to dry because he actually told the truth for once when he informed the Commission in May 2006 that a questionnaire had been sent out to the Christian Brothers who had worked in the Irish gulags to tell of their experiences. The ownership of these questionnaire was claimed by the Christian Brothers, and it was up to them to say if they claimed Legal Privilege or not.
As we can see from the transcript 29-11-2006 the Commission was stone-walled for six months and to add insult to injury a blank copy of the questionnaire was submitted to the Commission. The chairman, Judge Ryan has given them 14 days to furnish this information and for once he has shown that the Christian Brothers that the Commission to Inquire Into Child Abuse is not a toothless Tiger! RISH VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE NOW DOMICILED IN ENGLAND

COMMENT 6
“FOUNDED ON FEAR” IS A BOOK THAT WAS RECENTLY LAUNCHED IN THE NATIONAL LIBRARY OF IRELAND – BY MARY RAFTERY. lT DEPICTS GRAPHICALLY THE HARSH REGIME THAT EXISTED IN LETTERFRACK INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL DURING THE 1920s AND ONWARDS. SADLY, PETER TYRRELL SET HIMSELF ALIGHT ON HAMPSTEAD HEATH, LONDON ENGLAND. PETER NEVER GOT OVER HIS TIME IN THE CRUEL IRISH INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL. IT HAUNTED HIM SO MUCH THAT HE COULD NOT LIVE WITH THE AWFUL MEMORIES.

I CANNOT BRING MYSELF AROUD TO READING THE HARROWING TALE, ONLY SNIPPETS CAN BE PAINFULLY DIGESTED. FROM VARIOUS SOURCES. HE WAS………A PROPHET, INDEED!. SINCERELY HOPE THAT JUDGE RYAN TAKES COGNIZANCE OF THE BOOKS’ CONTENTS.

Peter Tyrrelll, In the book says: “The youngest child to enter Letterfrack was THREE and A HALF years old, this child was not beaten for several months”. That is  A CHILLING STATEMENT leaving NOTHING ELSE to be said about Letterfrack. THAT SAYS IT ALL!.
A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

Comment 7

As a survivor of the Irish Gulags I have been researching the abuses that the children were made to endure, the effect of the abuse visited on them emanating into the rest of their lives and the lives of their parents, spouses / partners, their children / grand children, siblings, friends and their difficulty fitting into the way that society expected of them or the fact that they could not connect to society and for many survivors this indeed was and still is a very serious problem. Many survivors simply got lost in the world and drifted onto the oblivion train of alcohol, drugs in order to escape the pain and the trauma of what happened to them as children in the Irish Gulags. There is a greater need of understanding into this very complex problem and for people to accuse survivors of telling lies in order to enhance their application at the Redress Board is nothing short of a total disgrace, these accusers have no ides as to what it is like for survivors to revisit their experiences in the Irish Gulags and as the accusers have their minds made up about us or as they said in the old western days ” give them a fair trial and then we will hang them” what is the point of trying to get through to them..so lets move on and get the experiences of survivors, their parents, spouses / partners, children, grandchildren and friends out in the public domain for the whole world to see and I hope that I live long enough to finish this research which has the title ” The Door That Never Closes “. It is my intention to hold public meeting in Ireland and the UK for the spouses / partners, sons, daughters, children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, friends and relations of survivors of the Irish Gulags as I strongly believe that their stories and concerns should have a voice as they too are survivors of the fallout of the Irish Gulags……………… A victim/survivor of institutional abuse.

COMMENT 8

I have just finished reading a book on the experiences of a young Jewish girl place in a convent in England again run by nuns called “Rock Me Gently”, A True Story Of A Convent Childhood written by Judith Kelly. The book clearly shows what sort of people these nuns are outside of Ireland and gives great support to survivors in Ireland of the system used by the Catholic Church and their treatment of little innocent children world wide. VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 9

RE: ALLEGEDLY FALSE VICTIMS/SURVIVORS OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

THE FOLLOWING WAS SAID BY A LEGAL ADVISOR WHO ATTENDED A MEETING IN DUBLIN SOME YEARS AGO.
Margaret Jervis, a legal adviser to the British False Memory Society, which aims to raise public awareness of the dangers of using unscientific methods to recover memories of abuse.

“The Irish are great storytellers and many it seems are making extreme allegations,” she said. “The further you go back in years with allegations of abuse, the taller the stories become. Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin.

COMMENT I0
FOUNDED ON FEAR. Peter Tyrrell. The youngest child to enter Letterfrack , was THREE AND A HALF YEARS OLD, this BABY was not BEATEN for several months. Peter Tyrrell. Ends. The high proportion of young children in Letterfrack who died at the age of six and below, is a travesty of justice, and bears testimony to conditions prevailing there.  It is outlined so graphically in Peter Tyrrells book…… BUT WHAT WAS A THREE AND A HALF YEAR OLD BABY DOING IN AN INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL IN THE WILDSCONNEMARA?
A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 11.

Yes indeed, what was an infant doing in a Connemara Industrial School? I WAS INCARCERATED IN GOLDENBRIDGE WHEN JUST UNDER FIVE YEARS OLD. There were other innumerable young children, there during my WHOLE DETENTION. Even younger than the child of three and a half who was wrongfully detained in letterfrack reformatory.
The Judiciary/Religious etc, have a lot to answer for allowing INFANTS to be sentenced before they even reached the age of ‘canonical’ reason.

I HAVE VERY TRAUMATISED MEMORIES OF YOUNG CHILDREN, AS MANY AS TWENTY-WHO HAD NOBODY TO HOLD OR CARE FOR THEM, AND WHO WERE LEFT FOR LONG DURATIONS SITTING/TIED/SLEEPING ON POTS. I CAN ASSURE MR RORY CONNOR AND HIS ILK THAT I DO NOT IMAGINE SUCH. IF THE GENTLEMAN WANTS TO DO A THESIS, AS HE IS SO FOND OF DOING. HE IS WELCOME TO INFORMATION THAT HAS NOT BEEN PRINTED IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. But, it comes with a warning so bring hankerchief. IN POSTING THIS, IT IS NOT TO SAY, THAT ‘SOME’ BABIES/INFANTS WERE NOT CARED FOR THESE ‘FEW INFANTS’, UNFORTUNATELY WERE VERY FEW AND FAR BETWEEN AND WERE THE LUCKY ONES!
AS FOR THE INFANT IN CONNEMARA IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME IF THE TODDLER WAS OF MIXED PARENTAGE, AS A VAST AMOUNT OF THEM – ENDED UP IN CLIFDEN IN GALWAY. ETHNIC CLEANSING OF THE HIGHEST ORDER….

“TO HELL OR CONNAUGHT” SCENARIO SADLY, PREVAILED! To be Black, or Coloured please excuse terminology IN AN INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL WAS A DREADFUL CRIME INDEED.  I HAVE VERY SAD MEMORIES AND VISIONS ON THIS SPECIFIC SUBJECT IN RELATION TO GOLDENBRIDGE To conclude. “Floggings” – in Goldenbridge Industrial School was no respector of age…
Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin

PS:
I WILL CHALLENGE RORY CONNOR ANY TIME, ANYWHERE, ON THE ABOVE, IF HE IS WILLING AND ABLE. HYPOTHESIS RULES? NO, FACTS DO!

RORY, A WEE BIT OF ADVISE: IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT BEFOREHAND YOU GET CONSULTATION FROM YOUR SOLICITOR AS THE PROPENSITY FOR GOING OFF ON A TANGENT IN RELATION TO YOUR GOOD SELF IS WIDELY KNOWN WITHIN ‘ABUSE GROUPS’ CIRCLES. AS WITH ANOTHER HIBERNIAN  ANGEL, I TOO, DO NOT SIT AROUND WHEN RILED. DO YO GET MY DRIFT. WELL, WELL, WELL YOUR FEMALE COUNTERPART CLONE AND I SHARE A NOT TOO DISSIMILAR TEMPERAMENT. SO YOU’D BETTER WATCH  OUT YOU’D BETTER NOT CRY, YOU’D BETTER WATCH OUT I’M TELLING YOU WHY SANTA CLAUS IS COMING TO DUBLIN TOWN TO GIVE RORY A XMAS PRESENT. ONE THAT HE WILL ENJOY. KATHY COME HOME.PLEASE RORY IS NOT GOING TO TORTURE YOU ANY MORE HE IS GIVING UP WITCHHUNTING AS A NEW YEARS RESOLUTION..VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 12

There is a Definitive “Blanking out” of REAL evidence by the Sisters of Mercy, Rosminians, the Chrsitian Brothers, Sisters of Charity, and other relgious orders that gave evidence (what evidence!) before the Child abuse commission. Each question was met by another question, but as yet, no answers!. Therefore, why did Judge Sean Ryan decide to “Change the format and procedures” of the Commission i.e, (Cherry picking) and what the religious could, or could not discover?. Why did Judge Sean Ryan allow the orders (OFF) and fobbed off the abused?….why did Judge Ryan allow Colm O’ Gorman to “make a speech” before him, while refusing to allow the “ex- detainees” to have their say….publicly?….there is, as I stated so many “questions and whys?” No one, ( Judge Ryan included) can grasp what is actually going on. However, the religious and the State, (the ulitmate colluders of such documented abuses had already decided to “withhold” the real evidence, because the religious “attacks” will only become known through those prepared to take the Religious and the State on in the courts. A victim/Survivor of institutional abuse.

COMMENT: 13

Village Magazine: Letters to the editor Thursday, November 23, 2006
Irish Child Prisoners must be given a Voice.
The delinquent state that oppressed Irish children in institutional care is alive and well and is still denying justice to its former child victims. During his lifetime, one such victim, Peter Tyrrell, could not get justice in Ireland. He couldn’t even get a hearing of his complaints. He took his life in despair after being betrayed by Ireland’s bleeding-heart do-gooders in whom he had misplaced his trust.

Now that Peter has been safely dead nearly 40 years, Ireland’s parasitic do-gooders are cashing in on his suffering. Peter’s dreadful experiences can now be romanticised by Establishment Ireland and woven into Sean Ryan’s myth of Ireland’s “residential schools” and “child care system”. The hypocrisy is nauseating.

Meanwhile, the living victims of Ireland’s gulag (including myself) are being silenced by the state, the media and the do-gooders. It is just like the old times. A fraudulent and secret inquiry (the Ryan Commission on Child Abuse) and a secret hush-money court (the so-called Redress Board) are busily engaged in re-writing history.

If there is one thing worse than being oppressed, it is having one’s history written by one’s oppressors. For the sake of Ireland’s children – past, present and future – that reprehensible project must not be allowed to succeed. Ireland’s theocratic ruling elite is a prisoner of its history but it would do well to heed Santiana’s warning that those who don’t learn from their history are doomed to repeat it. An independent inquiry must be established to investigate the Irish gulag.

The former child prisoners could not get a public hearing at the Ryan commission. The tiny, unrepresentative handful of survivors that was selected for a hearing by the inquiry was heard behind closed doors. They were deemed unfit to be seen or heard by “respectable” Ireland – exactly as they were treated by the corrupt judges who illegally imprisoned them in childhood. Meanwhile, the commission gave everyone else a public platform from which to disseminate their misinformed opinions on the child prisoners.

Everyone, from Taoiseach Bertie Ahern to government minions to gulag jailors were given a chance to speak, everyone except the gulag victims. Even the likes of Colm O’Gorman (PD parliamentary candidate), who never set foot in a child prison, was given a public platform by Sean Ryan, the commission’s chairman.

Ireland is not ready to listen to those whose lives it wilfully wrecked in the industrial reformatories. We, the former gulag children, will never get justice in Ireland. Our history will have to be published abroad. Perhaps in another 40 years, when we are all safely dead, we will suffer the same posthumous fate in Ireland as Peter Tyrrell.

Jim Beresford, Former Artane child prisoner, Huddersfield, West Yorkshire Email Jim Beresford

Sorrowful mysteries etched into bleeding fingers, by FINTAN O’TOOLE
The Irish Times – Friday, March 01, 1996

STRANGELY enough, of all the images in Louis Lentin’s superb documentary film on Goldenbridge orphanage, the most disturbing for me was not one of the violent ones – a child deliberately scalded with boiling water or beaten with a club until her whole leg from ankle to hip burst open. We see so much brutality on the screen that most of us, I suppose, have learned how to shield ourselves from it.

The really searing image was more mundane and less dramatic. It was the group of middle aged women sitting at their desks in the classroom, re enacting the endless hours they spent from the age of four onwards making rosary beads. It was terrible because, after 30 years, they could still do it apparently without having to think. They could look into the camera and talk powerfully and coherently, and all the while their hands were working away on their own, the wire strung over one forefinger, a kind of pliers held in the palm, the beads in the other hand.

They had to do 60 lots a day after school, stringing together 600 beads, 60 decades of the rosary uttered not with the lips or in the head but in the flesh and bone of raw, trembling fingers. The prayer’s sorrowful mysteries and ascendant sighs, the mourning and weeping in this valley of tears, were, literally, etched into these women’s bodies. The wire wore a groove into the top of the finger, so that it sat in an open wound while the children strung it with beads. Sometimes pieces of glass from the beads splintered off into a child’s eye. Even now, decades later, if you looked closely at the woman’s hand while she spoke and worked, you could see that the inside of her thumb still had the mark of those countless hours of cruel drudgery.

THESE images are much more than memorable – they invade the memory. They change forever and for the worse all sorts of memories that seemed stable and comfortable. I remember the feel of the rosary beads in my mother’s gloved hand as I held it on the way to Mass. I remember the white, shiny rosary beads that I got for my first communion. I remember the dull black ones that my great grandmother had wrapped around her joined hands on her death bed. I remember my grandfather’s tan coloured beads as he knelt by his bed every night.

And now I have to remember that some of those beads, those symbols of order and goodness, were probably placed by fearful little fingers on pieces of wire resting in the open wounds of children.

This, maybe, is the important thing about the current revelations of abuse in Goldenbridge and St Kyran’s in the 1950s and 1960s. They affect not just the women who still bear the physical and mental marks, but the whole way in which this society remembers itself. They show us, again, that we do not yet have a stable point of reference even in the very recent past from which to judge where, and who, we are.

One week we are watching on our television screens images of Chinese orphanages. We see small children left in the care of slightly larger ones. We see babies strapped to potties, left to fall over and lie in their own dirt. We watch little ones who have forgotten how to smile, staring into space, rocking back and forth. We rage at the kind of savage neglect that seems possible only in a totalitarian society. We long to take those poor kids from their barbaric world into our civilised one. We call the Chinese ambassador into our parliament to explain herself and her shameful country, knowing for sure that we come from something better.

And then, within weeks, we are shown exactly the same images in our own orphanages, only projected back 35 years. And we don’t really have the comfort of looking at the big picture of a nasty looking nun on the front of a tabloid paper and knowing that it is all really just about her. Of course individuals are responsible for their actions. And of course the religious institutions which allowed it to continue has a lot to apologise for. But there is much more to it than that.

Growing up in working class Dublin in the 1960s, there were certain words that carried a dark meaning all of their own – Artane and Letterfrack. One of the things you knew so well that you could never remember actually being told it was that if you were bad you would be sent to one or the other. You knew that they were places for two kinds off kids – bad ones and orphans. And you did not know that there was any real distinction between these two categories. For all practical purposes, there was no real difference between being bad and being an orphan.

IT WAS not accidental, therefore, that the orphanages should be terrible places. One of their functions was to tidy away, out of sight and mind, the human refuse of respectable society. But the other was to act as a deterrent against bad behaviour. Women who were bad would have their babies sent there. Youngsters who were bad would be sent there themselves. The places were cruel not just because there was a nasty nun or even a nasty church, but because part of their job was to be cruel. They were the earthly hell with which we were threatened.

And threats don’t really work unless you know in some unclear but unmistakable way, that what you are being threatened with is pretty horrible. If places like Goldenbridge and Artane, Letterfrack and St Kyran’s had been full of happiness and ease, the perverted logic of the kind of society we are struggling to emerge from would have seen them as an incentive to moral laxity and delinquent behaviour.

That logic was kept in its place not by one bad nun with a big stick but by an awful lot of fools and hypocrites in dog collars and suits. And it was overturned slowly and with enormous effort by men and women working against the odds for political and social change.

These days, with so many battles won, it is easy to indulge in nostalgia for the old certainties and to forget that what was most certain about them was their naked cruelty. It is easy to indulge in liberal self laceration, wondering whether we haven’t thrown out the baby with the bathwater. It is easy to be too forgiving of the ignorance, corruption, and viciousness that were so pervasive as to be virtually invisible. But to give in to any of those temptations is to betray the courage, resilience and life giving anger of those whose pain was strung on bits of wire to count out such shameful decades

COMMENT: 14

Russian Proverbs WITH A  RORY knotted TWIST.

“A net will catch more than a pole” even rotten fish with rotten heads.
A priest’s belly is made up of several sheepskins, a seminarians’ is made up of cowskin!

“All ages are submissive to love”SUBSERVIENT TO LOVE! Hmm!

“An argument is fine only when there is to be a fight” to be won!

“Don’t drive a Binya into the woods if he has found his way to your house”as inevitably both of you might get lost. Not seeing the the woods for the trees  is invariably synonymous with Hibernian Angels in general. The impatient Binya won’t shoulder your alter ego characteristics of which there are many Enlightenment awaits you if you nicely show him in to your house.

“Don’t raise your stick and the dog won’t bark at you”as Rotweiler, Pavlov, is prone to more than barking if the stick is repetitively raised too high INDEED Baying for blood, is ordinarily, something he has the propensity for, provivding, that is, if he is very riled!

“Eat what is cooked, listen to what is said””Even honour is not an honour, if there is nothing to eat”.
oh, what one would have done for Goldenbridge scraps even from a sieve if one was hungry. Listen, listener do you get my drift

“For him who does not believe in signs, there is no way to live in the world” Witchunter, you are out of season, so be off with you!

“He can cheat a fish of its skin”but he cannot cheat him of his rotten head!

“He took the devil’s mat, but he’ll pay back with his skin”Yes, his cowskin! it is only a matter of time.

“His word is as good as a tied RORY knot”the convoluting opstreperous, pathological liar is always in a twist.

“If the pocket is empty, the judge is deaf”empty pockets belong to empty twisted knotted Russianesque heads. It is also well known that empty vessels make most noise. But, then again, if the judge is deaf, is it not logical that all will go on deaf ears? Ha, ha!. There is nothing like a wee bit of IRISH HUMOUR WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH. Have a ‘Ryan’ on me – Rory, Buchailli!. So much for the Russian Intelligentsia! Tell me, did you find them under the bed last time you looked? You know, you might just want to let them escort you around while you do more night – time study in ‘History’ as a mere bloody BA wont get you very far. You’ll purely and surely be history yourself with such low qualifications. Beating victims/survivors of institutional abuse with assumed HISTORY knowledge is not in the least impressionistic. WE COULD TEACH YOU HISTORY, THAT WONT BE LEARNED AT NIGHT SCHOOL. BUT YOU REFUSE TO HEAR US WHEN WE HAVE GIVEN YOU THE OPPORTUNITY YOU WOULD PREFERABLY GO TO SCHOOL TO LEARN IT SECOND-HAND. THE PROPHETS ARE AMONGST YOU BUT YOU ARE SO BLOODY IGNORANT THAT YOU CANNOT, {AS WAS INTIMATED BEFORE} SEE THE WOODS FOR THE TREES. SO HOP ALONG – BE OFF WITH YOURSELF, THE INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE VICTIMS/SURVIVORS ARE AT LONG LAST GOING TO STAND UP TO THE LIKES YOU. DEAL WITH YOUR OWN PROBLEMS INSTEAD OF HANGING OUT OF US TRYING TO MAKE A NAME FOR YOURSELF.

“If you don’t deceive, you can’t sell”‘novel’ ideas – irrespective of their credibility. Am I right, or, am I – extremely right! Loose words are picked up like gold coins!.

“No one knows how the poor man dines”only the poor man himself!

“Not everything is a mermaid that dives into the water, is that so? What then is it – if it is not a mermaid, is it a mere man with water on the brain, I wonder?

“One man in a field is not a warrior”he is instead…a man outstanding in a field that does not belong to him. If he is not careful he wIll be cornered….by his own comrades. An solationist crank is albeit very vulnerable.

“Peace lasts till the army comes, and the army lasts till peace comes”the army of ‘ants’ are beginning to crawl on you, and you will get no peace whatsoever – with all the scratching they bring.Peace perfect peace awaits you, the choice is yours.

“Smooth hands love the labour of others”yes, smooth religious ones at that.

“The horse loves oats; the earth, manure; and the governor, tribute”. and victims/survivors of institutional abuse, the truth yes, LOVE, the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Roll on judgment day.

“There’s no harm in wine, it’s drunkenness that is at fault”and the demeanour of those that cannot hold the plonk, who invariably, unashamedly then spew out by the mouthful outrageous untruths, nnuendos, and cock and bulll stories, and the like

“To every high mountain, there is a higher one” it  was intimated  that you had reached the peak? Something drastically occurred for you to have ‘fallen’ so low.

“Until you have smoked out the bees, you can’t eat the honey”. so you can’t do everything at once until you recover properly from that dreadful ‘fall’. from grace. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

I am partial to poetry.
Russian Poem.

Especially for
THE INTELLECTUALLY ELITE OF SOCIETY
WHO ARE HIDING IN
UNSHELTERED, AND DRAUGHTY GAPING HOLES.
SSSSHHHHUUUUSSSSHHHHCCCCHHHHEEEESSS
SEEEEMMMMYYYYFFFFRRRRIIIIEEEEDDDD
Hush You Mice
Hush you mice! a cat is near us,
He can see us, he can hear us…
–What if he is on a diet?–
Even then you should be quiet!

“Mice are dancing in a round,
On a bench a cat is sleeping.
Hush, you mice, don’t make such noise
Or you’ll wake up Vaska* Cat
Vaska Cat will jump and leap
And will spoil and break your round”.
*Vaska is a Russian Cat.

A Russian Gypsy.

There was a gypsy
who had a long nose,
She was asking how
to shorten her nose.
She was advised
to buy some Vaseline,
Put it on her nose
and then…………
Cut it with an axe!

Many thanks!

Bolshoe spasibo!
Sleep-sleep-sleep
Don’t lie close to the bed side
Otherwise a grey wolf will come
And bite you

The dust flies through the field because of the pounding of the horses’ hoofs?

Huts-ka, Huts-ka Naya Huts-ka” “Tiptoe through the strawberry fields!”

COMMENT I

RE: GOLDENBRIDGE INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL – ARTICE ABOVE.

The ABOVE disgusting piece of work gives an indication of the state of mind of a society that would go on to convict Nora Wall on false charges of raping a child. I have previously quoted the Russian proverb about the intelligentsia “A fish rots from the head”. The following is a prime example of the process.

Regards. Rory Connor

COMMENT 2.

Firstly, How dare the decrepit sounding ex -seminarian author of above make a mockery of the state of mind of Irish society. To even begin to equate the suffering of Christine Buckley with that of the ‘passion’ of an ex- nun is grossly absurd. What sociological standing does this yoke have in life – that gives him authority to make judgments on this nation. AND SURVIVORS, SUCH AS CHRISTINE BUCKLEY?

ARE THE RUSSIANS UNDER THE BED OF THIS NOT SO INTELLIGENT MAN? KEEPING THEIR INTELLIGENT RUSSIAN EYES ON HIM…. AND IN THE PROCESS TELLING THE INTELLIGENTSIA WITHIN HIS HEAD TO HAUNT THOSE THAT WERE IN INSTITUTIONS IN THE PAST?. Get real man!

PS:
Can THE MODERATOR OF A GOVERNMENT FUNDED WEBSITE refrain, from giving non – institutional survivors of abuse too much freedom on site. It was not set up for the purposes of them, but instead, for those of whom were incarcerated IN INDUSTRIAL SCHOOLS.

I AM ASKING  NICELY, AS SURVIVORS ARE VERY TRAUMATISED WITH EX – SEMINARIANS AND OTHERS SUCH AS MR CONNOR WHO CONSTANTLY TRY TO BROW-BEAT AND HARANGUE THEM. HEALING WILL NEVER TAKE PLACE WHILE THE MODERATOR IN QUESTION CONTINUES TO ENTERTAIN PRETENDERS AND FEED INTO THEIR LUNATIC WAYS.

I wonder, is the Dept of Education AWARE OF THE ANTICS OF MR CONNOR AND HIS KIND?

There is a Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse and it will decide matters pertaining to Goldenbridge Industrial School Inchicore Dublin.
In the meantime, if Mr Rory Connor continues through the medium of the site, which is partially funded by the Irish government to tantalise a woman who twice, has had cancer. and has been extremely ill victims will be left with no option but to take serious action.
A very annoyed victim/survivor of institutional abuse

ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ACHTUNG! ACHTUNG BABY!
Complaint made by  Mr. Rory Connor  Ref. No. 123/06. Re Radio 1 Tonight with Vincent Browne 2 May 2006. Complaint Summary:

Mr. Connor’s complaint, submitted under Sections 24(2)(b)(law & order) and (a)(impartiality) concerns a broadcast of the ‘Tonight with Vincent Browne’ programme. In the programme on May 2, the complainant asserts that three of the contributors to the programme, had made previous false allegations against the Christian Brothers. The complainant submits that once they were invited on the programme, the presenter had an obligation to quiz them about their previous allegations and their attitude to the Catholic Church. He further submits that this programme on Daingean was vile; the presenter used witnesses who are grossly prejudiced; he made no attempt to test the credibility of their present or past claims and no attempt to bring out the other side of the story. To falsely accuse someone of child abuse is bound to create hatred and Browne’s guests were peddling hatred of the Catholic Church, which is specifically in breach of the Prevention of Incitement to Hatred Act. Accordingly, he requests the Commission to find RTÉ are not only in breach of their obligations regarding objectivity, impartiality and fairness, but also in their duty in relation to law and order (specifically the Prevention of Incitement to Hatred Act) Station’s Response: RTE state that the programme that has led to this complaint was devoted in its entirety to descriptions of life in Daingean Reformatory before it was shut down in the 1970s. The programme opened with a lengthy description by the writer Mannix Flynn of the physical punishment he received as an inmate in Daingean in the 1960s. The next interviewee was Hugh Connolly who had been a trainee in Daingean in 1957-58. He also gave an eye-witness account of savage beatings he saw during his period in Daingean. The next contributor to the programme was Mary Raferty, a writer and television producer. The final part of the programme was a recorded piece with John Kelly, another former inmate of Daingean who recounted his experiences in Daingean during two years he spent there in the 1960s…………………………. It is RTE’s view that the programme was an accurate and factual account by reliable witnesses and researchers into events that took place in Daingean in the 1960s. RTE has no reason to doubt the truth of what the contributors to the programme stated about the conditions in Daingean. The broadcaster asserts that there was no breach of law and order requirements broadcast in the programme. They also assert that the programme was impartial and fair. It is RTE”s view that the programme presenter invited onto the programme a number of witnesses and asked them to recount their first hand experiences. He did this in an impartial and objective way. The events described in the programme elicited an emotional response from the programme presenter. In the circumstances of the cruelties described this is not surprising and is not an indication of partiality. RTE’s would argue that in their own small way the programme has contributed to the establishment of truth and the acknowledgement that former inmates of institutions such as Daingean are entitled to be able to tell their own stories and that Irish society must listen to them and acknowledge the truth of what happened. Decision of the Commission: The Commission has considered the broadcast, the submissions made by the complainant and the broadcaster. The programme discussed what life was like in the former Reformatory School, Daingean. The panellists on the programme included two men who had been sent there as boys in the 60s and 70s; a man who had been a trainee in Daingean in the late 50’s; and a journalist who researches and writes about such issues. The journalist informed the listeners that government records show that abuse took place in Daingean. The Commission would acknowledge that this is accepted as fact. At the outset of the broadcast, the listener was aware that three of the panel members would recount their experiences. The accounts were from their perspectives, as they experienced and remembered. The presenter allowed them tell their stories. Such subject matter is of great public interest and its inclusion in a programme is a legitimate editorial decision. The issue of abuse is an emotive one, which was dealt with in this programme in a grave and responsible manner. The accounts given of life in Daingean were harrowing and shocking. However, they were the true-life experiences of the men, part of their life stories. Freedom of speech is an important right and one which applies to all citizens. Also, editorial responsibility as to who participates in a programme is that of the broadcasters. What is of importance to the Commission is that the interviews were conducted in a fair manner. The Commission was of the opinion that this discussion legitimately explored the true-life subjective experiences of two inmates and a trainee of the former Reformatory School, Daingean. The presenter facilitated an informative and fair discussion. The tone was at all times respectful. He asked questions to elicit information on their lives in an impartial manner. At no stage in the broadcast was hatred against the Church advocated. This complaint was rejected with reference to Sections 24(2)(b)(law & order) and (a)(impartiality) of the Broadcasting Act, 2001

COMMENT 1

On the Vincent Browne show of 2nd May this year, a contributor being Mr Hugh Connolly, a former trainee priest in Daingean in 1957-1958, and now a practising Barrister in London.  Mr Connolly, vividly described the beastiality of Daingean, and the ATROCITIES he witnessed while training there.  The PAEDOPHILIA, THE STARVATION, THE FORCED LABOUR, THE BRUTALITY, THE PEER ABUSE, THE LACK OF EDUCATION, THE IMBECILIC AND MENTALLY DERANGED HIERARCHY WHICH EXISTED THERE, INCAPALE OF CONTROL, ALLOWING THE PLACE TO BECOME A DEN OF INEQUITY, RAPE, BUGGERY, FORCED ORAL RAPE, VOYUEURISM, being just a FEW of the things which were the STAPLE DAILY DIET OF DAINGEAN. Was Mr Hugh Connolly sent a “QUESTIONNAIRE” by the ARCHIVIST for Daingean, Father Michael Hughes? Was Mr Hugh Connolly “INTERVIEWED” by Father Michael Hughes, the oblates “ARCHIVIST”, and IF NOT, WHY NOT?  Mr Connolly is a LIVING HISTORICAL ENCYCLOPEDIA OF DAINGEAN, and NO DOUBT a man who would have BEEN OF GREAT SIGNIFICANCE to the Ryan Commission. WAS HE CALLED AS A WITNESS? As Rory Connor is ON RECORD through his “complaint to RTE”, is Rory Connor by IMPLICATION calling MR Hugh Connolly A LIAR, A CRIMINAL AND A THUG? Any comments Mr Connor, or will you do the
“religious thing” AND JUST BLEEDIN` HIDE FROM A VERY RIGHTEOUS ANGRY VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

COMMENT 2

Father Hugh Connolly, now a practising Lawyer in London was once a trainee priest in DAINGEAN, 1957-1958, what he witnessed in Daingean, WHIPPINGS, SEVERE PHYSICAL VIOLENCE, THE UNCONTROLLABLE TEMPERS OF THE MENTALLY ABERRANT STAFF THERE, PAEDOPHILIA, BOYS BEING TAKEN INTO THE OMLETTES ROOMS, led Mr Hugh Connolly to remark on THE VINCENT BROWNE SHOW, THAT “DACHAU”, WAS NO DIFFERENT FROM DAINGEAN.  A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.
COMMENT 3
My name is Kathleen O’Malley author “Childhood Interrupted” and I would like to offer my support . I am not a member of the ‘Right of Place’  A VICTIMS/SURVIVORS OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE GROUP, however I share the same frustration as everyone. I have tried over the years to expose this cover up and continued ABUSE. Bertie Ahern should be ashamed of himself for his lack of Justice and for covering up for the religious. I recently spoke on the ‘Joe Duffy Show’ about the Commission. I have waited six years to go before the “Investigative Commission” now to learn I have wasted my time and that Mount Carmel Industrial School Moate, Co Westmeath. will not be Investigated along with many other Girls schools. This is a gross ” TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE” Should you require to use my name to add to a PETITION go ahead. I wish you every success . Signed: A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE. Kathleen O’Malley.
COMMENT: 4

Kathleen, I utterly empathise with you regarding all – pertaining to industrial school abuse and share the exact same frustration. Thank you for telling the world about it through your well-written book CHILDHOOD INTERRUPTED. IT IS VERY POPULAR WITH ALL AND SUNDRY HERE IN IRELAND. I hope that you have continued success with it throughout GB/USA, which are both lucrative markets, for the sheer size of both countries. Bertie’s father was given employment by the religious, him being a Cork man living up in Dublin. As with ‘pain’ the legacy of it is albeit thriving, likewise, too, with Bertie the indebtedness to the church also lives on. Yes, I did not personally listen to LIVELINE, Joe Duffy’s daily afternoon show on Radio Eireann. But. I DID HEAR THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE THAT YOU SPOKE VERY ELOQUENTLY ABOUT VARIOUS ASPECTS OF LIFE IN YOUR RESPECTIVE INSTITUTIONS AND THE AFTERMATH OF THE HARSH REGIME THAT PREVAILED, ETC.
I, HAVE ALSO WAITED SIX YEARS TO TELL MY STORY ABOUT THE NEGLECT AND ABUSE THAT OCCURRED TO ME AT THE MOTHER AND BABY HOME, NAMELY: THE MATER DEI, MOTHER AND BABY UNIT, REGINA COELI, NORTH BRUNSWICK STREET DUBLIN, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS MORNING STAR, DUE TO THE NAME OF THE AVENUE IT IS SITUATED ON. LIKE YOURSELF KATHLEEN, I WAS DEVASTATED TO LEARN THAT IT WAS NOT GOING TO GET ‘A LOOK IN’. I WAS LIKE A TIME-BOMB WAITING TO GO OFF, AS THE COMMISSION TO INQUIRE INTO CHILD ABUSE DID NOT EVEN HAVE THE DECENCY TO OFFICIALLY  – LET ME DOWN,. IT HAS DONE THIS REPEATEDLY TO COUNTLESS VICTIMS/SURVIVORS.  IT TAKES THE EASY WAY OUT BY ITS IN-ACTION. I AM STILL TO THIS DAY THOROUGHLY DISGUSTED WITH THE COMMISSION WITH THE WAY IT CHERRYPICKED THE INSTITUTIONS. THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN CALLED THE RYAN COMMISSION, BY THIS IS MEANT THAT IT IS OWNED BY JUDGE RYAN WHO HAS CHANGED CIRCUMSTANCES TO SUIT THE CHOSEN FEW……..THE MAJORITY OF VICTIMS/SURVIVORS, ARE ONLY AN AFTERTHOUGHT, AN ADJUNCT, YOU MUST BE FEELING ALSO A LOT OF HURT AND FRUSTRATION AT BEING TOLD THAT MOUNT CARMEL WAS NOT GOING TO BE INVESTIGATED. The government has only touched the surface IN RELATION  TO CLEANING UP ITS ACT OF DERELECTION OF DUTY TO THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE OF IRISH SOCIETY OF THE PAST. IT HAS OPENED UP A CAN OF WORMS AND THERE ARE VICTIMS OUT THERE FESTERING AT THE DAMAGE THE WORMS HAVE CAUSED. PUSHING CHILD ABUSE UNDER THE CARPET AND PRETENDIND IT DID NOT HAPPEN  IN THE LONG RUN WILL NOT DO THE COUNTRY ANY GOOD. MARIE – THERESE O’ LOUGHLIN.

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FOUNDED ON FEAR.  PETER TYRRELL. The youngest child to enter LETTERFRACK was THREE AND A HALF YEARS OF AGE, this child WAS NOT BEATEN FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. Peter Tyrrell. Ends. Mr “NO WHEELS ON MY WAGON”, Rory Connor STILL keeps the public in “anticipation” in regard to his remark of some weeks ago, that he, the venerable Rory is COMPILING A SUBMISSIVE REBUTTAL to Peter Tyrrell’s book. We await the “battle royal” between the “holder” of a Ba ,((bolloks -all) in History, as he sets out to embark in blunt engagement to the eminent personage of Diarmuid Whelan, a “salvia” laden dripping “possible encounter”, but unfortunately due to the mental incapacitation of the good Rory, the “encounter” WILL NEVER HAPPEN. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.
COMMENT 6
Those who collate information in the form of paperwork for the Religious Orders are known as “White Researchers” and three doing so have been uncovered. When is a civil servant, called Tom, not a civil servant?……………….. Once a Dela Silly-always a Dela Silly, is that not right Rory? “The one who walked away”. Rory has been to London but not to see the Queen. He has been investigating Peter Tyrrell’s horror story and is trying to punch holes in it for the Christian Brothers. It now appears that Rory Connor, ex – semenarian,……….oops, I mean seminarian, while acting on behalf of Religious Orders (has ALLEGEDLY told people) has been asking for the names of people who knew Peter Tyrell well, as they apparently drank with him in a Pub in Highbury Barn during the late 50’s and early 60’s.  Rory, you should have got the name of the Church right, it is: “Joan of Arc” – not: “Saint Joan’s”…TUT!…TUT!..TUT! – AND YOU A GOOD CATHOLIC. A VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

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 #84 2006-12-02 00:35:33 catherinesara
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Nothing new at all here. As Monica Roa said recently about Judges wearing their Catholic glasses while working. The vast population are still afraid of the Church.It is so deeply ingrained that they know no different other than FEAR.I asked the question about Opus Dei membership of some in the Dept of Justice and the Health Boards myself.It is only a few short years that I was threatened with having my children snatched because I associated with non catholics.I had written evidence from the court proceedings that we were forbidden by order of the court to associate with non Irish and non catholics.If I did not comply my children were to be given Electric Shock Treatment.No, you will never hear about it because I was gagged due to so called in camera rule.The Government Dept still do the work for the old boys club-the Patriarchial system.
It stinks to high Heaven.!!!!!

All it takes for evil to succeed is that good people do nothing.!!!

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2006-11-28 14:31:08 Setanta

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Would you kindly identify this person that you refer to as being a  “Lawyer “. Regards , Setanta.

#78 2006-11-28 19:38:43 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin
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Setanta,
“This unwarranted and outrageous Redress Board encourages many applicants to lie, Thousands of euro of public money has been awarded in secret to lying unscrupulous applicants without any fair hearing or challenge through the Board by their unsuspecting victims. SO THE LYING UNSCRUPULOUS APPLICANTS THAT YOU POST ABOUT ARE THOSE OF WHOM YOU MENTION BELOW.”. Am I correct?

“I submit that no person is safe while the Residential Institutions Redress Board continues to exist”. I AM BAFFLED HERE BY THE – ‘NO PERSON IS SAFE’. COULD YOU ELABORATE!

“I submit that it is ‘lightly’ that a very large number of claims made to the Redress Board through solicitor firms such as Michael Lanigan & Sons Co. Kilkenny; and Paul W. Tracey Solicitors, 24, Marlborough Street, Dublin; and Jane Flannery B.B.L.S; and Sharon Tracey Practice Manager; and many, many more are unsafe and incredible. I would say that if it were possible to investigate these applications to the Redress Board, as many as 90% would prove to have been entirely false.”

“These” applicants. I made a mistake and read it as “the” as opposed to “these” It was also taken out of context precisely because of  this I will correct error. My humble apology to you!

“And many, many more are unsafe”who are you implicating here?

SETANTA, YOU ARE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS!  ASSUMPTIONS! ASSUMPTION! ALL THE TIME.

“I wish to state that for anyone to say, or imply that my ‘pen name’, or otherwise, has anything to do with Satan, is unwarranted, misleading, sinister, and incorrect. It is nothing more than a reflection on their ignorance, and utter contempt for their neighbours right to
Liberty and freedom of speech”

Setanta, you do not have the monopoly on “free speech”- another can express ‘their take’ on your very interesting pseudonym, afterall “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” I SAW IT AS A VERY BRAVE AND BEAUTIFUL MYTHOLOGICAL CHARACTER, and another saw it as ‘devilish’ by virtue of it being partially an anagram’one woman’s medicine so another man’s poisin’. People who grew up in institutions are very hypervigilant individuals. t is known that they would have had the natural abilitities to become fine forensic DETECTIVES and BARRISTERS as they invariably always scan their environment.

Taiigh/Dia i dtigh diabhail!. May the devil/God take you with them! Death walks behind us surely, and Heaven/Hell waits ahead – the choice is ours. I have personally lived my hell so I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS AROUND THE CORNER. DO NOT LET THE RESIDENTIAL INSTITUTIONS REDRESS BOARD RULE THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

“I have never been angry with myself, or with anyone connected with this dreadful Sex Abuse Scandal”I BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU ON THIS, ONE ONLY HAS TO READ THE FOLLOWING

“But rest assured, I will pursue  those miserable people who have destroyed my life, and others known to me, until they are exposed, and brought to justice.”

“These unscrupulous, lying individuals are part of the Victims/Survivors of Institutional abuse. They are unfairly protected by their Secrecy, Garda Secrecy, Solicitor Secrecy, Barrister Secrecy, Judicial Secrecy, Health Board Secrecy, Incompetent Social Workers, their Managers, and the very Corrupt and Vile and Blatantly Biased and Secretive Residential Institutions Redress Board.”

“There will be no peace while these miserable people continue to destroy Innocent Men, Women and Children.”

IF THE ABOVE PARAGRAPHS/LINES ARE NOT ANGER – FILLED, YOU THUS HAVE ME FLUMMOXED as it oozes of it by the bucket – load from my reading of same. But that is your entitlement, at the end of the day  – I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY.

ALLEGATIONS OF FALSE ABUSE CLAIMS

Section 11(12) of the Residential Institutions Redress Act 2002 states: “The making of an award to an applicant, notwithstanding a conflict between the evidence given by the applicant and a relevant person, shall not constitute a finding of fact relating to fault or negligence on the part of the relevant person.” There is no question of any individual being found guilty or responsible for an act of abuse and there is no question of a person’s name being damaged publicly.

Allegations of child sexual abuse, that you state you have been accused of, and also the alleged evidence you have to ‘prove that it is false’ and therefore – fraudulent; which was submitted to the Residential Institutions Redress Board; does not stand for anything from my understanding; If one reads the above section 11 {12} of the RIRB ACT, it quite categorically states its position!

It is of course possible that where a system exists that it might be criminally defrauded. Unscrupulous individuals might indeed attempt to perpetrate such fraud. However, there is no evidence to date to say that such fraud has been perpetrated.
with the same token
Indeed, it would appear that the system built into the RIRB is working well. Of the 5, 111 applications received at the end of 2004, one case so far has been referred to An Garda Saoichana (Irish Police) for investigation. As a result of that investigation no further action was taken. See – (RIRB Annual Report, 2004). I have not checked the latest report. Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin.

Reports any evidence of fraudulent claims should made to the relevant authorities.

Disclose details of alleged fraud to the Garda so that the alleged crime can be properly investigated so that those you allege are held responsible will be prosecuted. It is the responsibility of every citizen of this State to report information or evidence of any crime to the Garda. You must live up to your responsibility that you so strongly feel about, and hand over any evidence of any alleged criminal offence without further delay
From an English victim/survivor of institutional abuse.

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#79 2006-11-28 21:17:18 Setanta
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== Statement 8 == [LIES AND FALSE ALLEGATIONS OF CHILD ABUSE MADE BY CHILDREN FROM SAINT JOSEPHS ORPHANAGE KILKENNY CITY IRELAND.]
“I AM BAFFLED HERE”
The Redress Board System encourages Unscrupulous Applicants, and their Legal Council to Lie, and make False Statements and present them for redress.

The Board is Biased in favour of its applicants, and Biased against the persons named by any applicant.

Furthermore, the named subject of the allegation, who is not tried by the Board,and not found guilty of the alleged crimes,has to suffer the stigmatizing of his/her good character, and all the fallout from being wrongfully labeled a child abuser as a result of being falsely accused at the Redress Board.

I submit that It is wrongful for the Residential Institutions Redress Board to imply that an innocent person, to be  preceived by them, and the Irish State, as being  guilty of the most heinous crimes, and compensate their applicants for their false allegation.

The applicant,and the applicants Legal Council, and the Board combine to cause destruction, and a life of misery  that falsely accused innocent person, without any due reason, and without any fair trial.

Unfounded and Untruthful allegations in sworn statement have been made by Lying and Unscrupulous applicants to the Board,and Innocent Men. Women, and Children have suffered terrible trauma because of this.

“And many,many more are unsafe”.
I refer to statements that I have seen, and same presented to the Redress Board for redress.

I am implicating all those who have Lied, and made false statements in connection with their allegations of Child Sexual,Physical and Mental abuse,and aided and abetted by  Corrupt and Incompetent Gardai, and Corrupt Solicitors, Barristers and the very corrupt Residential Institutions Redress Board in Dublin.Ireland.
Regards  Setanta.

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2006-11-27 22:44:15 Setanta

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== Statement 7 == [ LIES AND FALSE ALLEGATIONS OF CHILD ABUSE MADE BY CHILDREN FROM SAINT JOSEPHS ORPHANAGE KILKENNY CITY IRELAND.]

It has been suggested by a prominent writer to this site, that my mind has been obscured, and dominated by pent up anger, and  unfounded reason , and seeking out innocent victims/survivors of institutional abuse in an erroneous manner.

At no time whatsoever, have I said, or implied, that all victims who have alleged that they had suffered abuse while they were resident in state run institutions were Liars or that they had all made False Statements about their alleged abuse.

Any effort to describe my mind to be of a character of which I am not, will never change two wrongs into a right.

And in a letter described  by the prominent writer as “not mine”, I wish to state that for anyone to say, or imply that by my pen name, or otherwise, that I had anything to do with Satan, is unwarranted, misleading, sinister, and incorrect, and is nothing more than a reflection on their ignorance, and utter contempt for their neighbors right to Liberty and freedom of speech.

I have never been angry with myself, or with anyone connected with this dreadful Sex Abuse Scandal.

Great wrongs have been committed by Unscrupulous, Lying applicants to the Redress Board in Dublin, and I believe that I am entitled to voice my opinion,and challenge what has been said, and what is being said.

But rest assured, I will pursue  those miserable people who have destroyed my life, and others known to me, until they are exposed, and brought to justice.

These unscrupulous,Lying individuals are part of the Victims/Survivors of Institutional abuse. They are unfairly protected by their Secrecy, Garda (police) Secrecy, Solicitor Secrecy, Barrister Secrecy, Judicial Secrecy, Health Board Secrecy, Incompetent Social Workers,their Managers, and the very Corrupt and Vile,and Blatantly Biased , and Secretive  Residential Institutions Redress Board .

There will be no peace while these miserable people continue to destroy Innocent Men, Women and Children.

NO CITIZEN IN IRELAND IS SAFE FROM THESE ELUSIVE IRISH STATE AGENCIES OF THE LAW.

NO IRISH CITIZEN IN IRELAND IS SAFE FROM THE STIGMATISM , AND DAMNATION THAT FOLLOWS FROM BEING FALSELY ACCUSED OF CHILD ABUSE.

My Judgments are based upon fact.

Regards, Setanta.

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#77 2006-11-28 14:31:08 Setanta

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Would you kindly identify this person that you refer to as being a  “Lawyer “. Regards , Setanta.

#78 2006-11-28 19:38:43 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin
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ALLEGATIONS OF FALSE ABUSE CLAIMS

Section 11(12) of the Residential Institutions Redress Act 2002 states: “The making of an award to an applicant, notwithstanding a conflict between the evidence given by the applicant and a relevant person, shall not constitute a finding of fact relating to fault or negligence on the part of the relevant person.” There is no question of any individual being found guilty or responsible for an act of abuse and there is no question of a person’s name being damaged publicly.

Allegations of child sexual abuse, that you state you have been accused of, and also the alleged evidence you have to ‘prove that it is false’ and therefore – fraudulent; which was submitted to the Residential Institutions Redress Board does not stand for anything from my understanding.  If one reads the above section 11 {12} of the RIRB ACT, it quite categorically states its position!

It is of course possible that where a system exists that it might be criminally defrauded. Unscrupulous individuals might indeed attempt to perpetrate such fraud. However, there is no evidence to date to say that such fraud has been perpetrated.
with the same token Indeed, it would appear that the system built into the RIRB is working well. Of the 5, 111 applications received at the end of 2004, one case so far has been referred to An Garda Síochána (Irish Police) for investigation. As a result of that investigation no further action was taken. See: RIRB Annual Report, 2004. I have not checked the latest report.Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin.

Reports any evidence of fraudulent claims should made to the relevant authorities.

Disclose details of alleged fraud to the Garda so that the alleged crime can be properly investigated so that those you allege are held responsible will be prosecuted. It is the responsibility of every citizen of this State to report information or evidence of any crime to the Garda. You must live up to your responsibility that you so strongly feel about, and hand over any evidence of any alleged criminal offence without further delay.
From: an English victim/survivor of institutional abuse.

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#79 2006-11-28 21:17:18 Setanta
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== Statement 8 == [LIES AND FALSE ALLEGATIONS OF CHILD ABUSE MADE BY CHILDREN FROM SAINT JOSEPHS ORPHANAGE KILKENNY CITY IRELAND.]
“I AM BAFFLED HERE”
The Redress Board System encourages Unscrupulous Applicants, and their Legal Council to Lie, and make False Statements and present them for redress.

The Board is Biased in favour of its applicants, and Biased against the persons named by any applicant.

Furthermore, the named subject of the allegation, who is not tried by the Board,and not found guilty of the alleged crimes,has to suffer the stigmatizing of his/her good character, and all the fallout from being wrongfully labeled a child abuser as a result of being falsely accused at the Redress Board.

I submit that It is wrongful for the Residential Institutions Redress Board to imply that an innocent person, to be  preceived by them, and the Irish State, as being  guilty of the most heinous crimes, and compensate their applicants for their false allegation.

The applicant,and the applicants Legal Council, and the Board combine to cause destruction, and a life of misery  that falsely accused innocent person, without any due reason, and without any fair trial.

Unfounded and Untruthful allegations in sworn statement have been made by Lying and Unscrupulous applicants to the Board,and Innocent Men. Women, and Children have suffered terrible trauma because of this.

“And many,many more are unsafe”.
I refer to statements that I have seen, and same presented to the Redress Board for redress.

I am implicating all those who have Lied, and made false statements in connection with their allegations of Child Sexual,Physical and Mental abuse,and aided and abetted by  Corrupt and Incompetent Gardai, and Corrupt Solicitors, Barristers and the very corrupt Residential Institutions Redress Board in Dublin.Ireland.
Regards  Setanta.

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2006-11-22 17:22:50 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin

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RESIDENTIAL INSTITUTIONS REDRESS BOARD
Letters to the Editor: Irish Times 19.05.2005
Madam,

The skewed view of evidence referred to by Mary Raftery at the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse (May 12th) pales in significance compared to the activities of the Residential Institutions Redress Board. A place of secrecy, exclusion and bewilderment.

I have given evidence to the board on three occasions on behalf of three patients – all victims of layers of abuse, in particular sexual. Two of these have been under my care for over 10 years. All will bring their pain and suffering to the grave.

I was not allowed to be present when they gave their evidence, nor indeed were their partners, a friend, an advocate, no one of personal significance.

They were alone. Alone in attempting to articulate their exposure to regimes of unbridled rape and violence which lasted for years, at the hands of sadistic sexual perverts answerable to no one. Alone in telling about how their chance of a normal life was diminished from the beginning. About how they learned to place no value on themselves, and with their lives totally derailed following their release at 16 years old, drifted from one crisis to another for the rest of their lives.

One patient was left alone, on the verge of a panic attack due to the intensity of his fear, to tell the board of a past littered with criminal behaviour, prison records, substance misuse, dysfunctional relationships, mistrust of authority, and family breakdown.

I found the discomfort of waiting in a side room to give evidence, aware of my patients’ fears and worries, unbearable. They dreaded getting a panic attack, a flashback to an incident of abuse, a rush of uncontrollable anger that would alienate the chairman and jeopardise the outcome.

In giving my sworn evidence I felt under time pressure, and worse, that I was an unwelcome irritation slowing down the proceedings. An atmosphere of minimisation prevailed. It was impossible to present a complete picture.

The “board” consisted solely of a judge and a medical doctor. On two occasions that doctor, having had no experience of working with traumatised or abused children, let alone a qualification in psychiatry, was nonetheless there for the purpose of contributing to a judgment on the compensation deemed appropriate for each victim.

Not being a court, it is held in secret, away from the eyes of the community, and no perpetrator of a crime is ever sentenced to a punishment.

No apologies can be offered as no one is there representing the religious orders responsible. Justice for the victim is not the purpose, only financial compensation, which is capped to a maximum of €300,000. (To date the average award paid out to 2,555 victims has been €78,000.)

The award is conditional on them signing a secrecy agreement and a waiver on taking further legal action. If the victims disclose the amount they were awarded or discuss the facts of their case in public, they face criminalisation.

The wronged now accused of a crime! They can be fined up to €3,000 and can face a summary jail sentence of six months.

After a second disclosure, they face a fine not exceeding €25,000 and a two-year jail sentence. Why the secrecy? It’s certainly not for the benefit of the victim. There is emerging evidence that the Redress Board re-traumatises victims.

One patient of mine used this analogy. “An adult – man or woman – abuses a child. It is their ‘secret’. To make sure the ‘secret’ is kept the adult will give the child money or sweets. They buy silence. By making secrecy a condition upon payment, the board is doing exactly what an abuser does to a child.”

The elements of restorative justice which are required for the restitution of balance and healing are transparency instead of secrecy, formal apologies, the punishment of the wrongdoers, and supreme efforts to compensate for damage done.

The Redress Board embodies none of these.

Its role makes a mockery of the legal system, and of the Goddess Themis, whose scales are the symbols of Right and Justice.

It is my firm belief that the Redress Board contravenes the most basic of human and civil rights. In short, it represents a crime against humanity.

It should be abolished immediately and replaced by an open forum where the victim is not only properly monetarily compensated, but where they can have their perpetrators named, and the scales of justice balanced.

Yours, etc,

Dr MICHAEL CORRY,
Consultant Psychiatrist,
Dún Laoghaire.

#64 2006-11-23 18:47:20 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin

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Sunday, October 14, 2001 By Catherine O’Mahony. Irish Times columnist John Waters, the new consultant editor of Magill, has accused RTE of mounting a “witchhunt” against him after his controversial suggestion in the October issue of the current affairs magazine that many children sent to industrial schools in the 1950s and 1960s had criminal backgrounds. A debate on the issue on last Monday’s Liveline RTE radio programme ended up as an angry exchange between Waters and presenter Joe Duffy, who accused him of bullying the show’s producers. The debate continued for much of last week as hundreds of former industrial school pupils phoned in to RTE to express their hurt and anger. Waters wrote an editorial in Magill that cast doubt on the Laffoy Commission, which was set up to investigate abuse of children by industrial schools in the 1950s and 1960s. The most contested part of the article questioned the motives of the “alleged victims” of abuse, since “many will have been young offenders with all the baggage and possible motivation that this might imply”. These were people, it continued, “who, as adolescents at least, had a history of disturbance or even criminal activity”. These were surprising — and factually inaccurate — comments to make on an issue that has received overwhelmingly sympathetic coverage in the media. Department of Education statistics show that just 6 per cent of children admitted to industrial schools through the courts had committed any kind of offence. Of that number, half were under 12 and would scarcely be considered criminal by today’s standards. Waters is standing by his argument and alleging that RTE “drummed up hysteria” over his comments. He says Magill magazine received many calls in support of his points, including calls from former industrial school pupils. “I don’t claim to be pious,” he said. “But we are developing a culture where there is an omnipotent victim, an atmosphere where it is impossible for anyone to suggest the possible innocence of the accused.”. Waters’ central point is that people who worked in industrial schools are being scapegoated by the society that sanctioned abuses in the first place. The accused, he said, have a right to have allegations against them treated with “scepticism” in a judicial process. He says the media is guilty of ignoring this right in the interests of “populism”. Eoin O’Sullivan, a Trinity College lecturer who worked on the RTE States of Fear documentary and is an expert on industrial schools, said it was “quite simply wrong” of Waters to suggest that “many” industrial school pupils had criminal backgrounds. The overwhelming majority of children — ranging in age from babies to teenagers — were sent to industrial schools either because they were orphans or because the authorities decided their parents couldn’t look after them. Even the minority who were sent to reformatory schools for more “serious” crimes would scarcely rank as criminals today, O’Sullivan argued. One 14-year-old boy was sentenced to four-and-a-half years incarceration in the 1930s for “larceny of apples and pears to a value of 30 shillings”.”Poverty and neglect — that’s why they were there: 20 to 30 per cent of children arrived at industrial schools before they were six,” said O’Sullivan. “It’s hard to imagine what kind of crimes they could possibly have committed.”. One woman, Mary Norris, rang Liveline from Tralee to describe how she and six siblings were sent to different industrial schools in the area because their mother was discovered by the parish priest to be having an affair. Writer Mannix Flynn, sent to Letterfrack industrial school at the age of 10 for playing truant and stealing a bike, also spoke up. Former Lord Mayor of Clonmel Michael O’Brien, also a former pupil at an industrial school, was the first distressed caller to the programme. Waters has accepted O’Sullivan’s statistics, but said 6 per cent of the total number of children could still constitute “many” individuals, given the thousands of people who went through the industrial school system. He said he was not defending the industrial school system in general or denying that abuses took place. “I have always disapproved of and criticised the [school] system in the past, where I felt it was appropriate,” he said. “That doesn’t mean it’s not right to be mindful of the potential for miscarriages of justice. Waters was invited to contribute to the first Liveline show on the issue last Friday week, but was unavailable. On last Monday’s show, his contribution centred on his anger that Liveline had begun addressing the issue the previous week without his participation.

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#65 2006-11-23 18:51:10 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin

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SEANAD EIREANN–VOLUME 76–15th November, 1973. REPORT ON REFORMATORY AND INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL SYSTEMS, 1973: MOTION. Mr. Horgan: Anybody might think on reading the morning newspapers today that the small matter we were discussing in this House yesterday afternoon, the Private Members’ Bill in the names of Senators Robinson. West and I, was the most important social issue facing the country. We all [123] know that while it is very important it is not the most important social issue facing this country. That is why I am particularly glad that this motion is before us this morning. I should like to support this motion and to commend Senators Robinson and West for an exemplification of a very wide social concern that cannot be tied down to matters of detail. There is a crying need at the moment for the kind of codification, improvement and updating of family law that unfortunately is only barely hinted at in this report. When we consider that one of the main Acts under which children are sent to reformatories and industrial schools is a Children’s Act which was passed almost 70 years ago, we should hang our heads in shame as a country and as a parliament—that we have not taken seriously enough the whole range of problems involved, a range of problems which produces the people who are the raw material of this report. When reading this report I was particularly struck by Tables 27, 28, and 29 and the appendices dealing with the background information about the children concerned. On looking at these tables one gets an amazing and saddening picture of the type of child who is likely to find himself in such an institution. He is overwhelmingly likely to be the product of a broken home. He is overwhelmingly likely, perhaps, even to be illegitimate. He may not even know if his parents were ever married or if they are alive. This impression is heightened when one looks at Tables 31 and 32 in the report which relate to father’s and mother’s occupations. On looking at Table 31, one will notice the infinitesimal proportion of children in industrial schools and reformatories who come from families where the father or mother is in one of the higher income groups. The lower the income group, the higher the number of children in these industrial schools. This is true of the mothers as well as of the fathers. 124 The problem we are trying to cope with here is a school system, or a reformatory and industrial school [124] system, which is in effect confined almost exclusively to the children from the lower socio-economic groups in our society. We must face the implications of this. Is the fact that so many of these children come from the lower socio-economic groups an indication that children from this group are much more likely to be wicked than the children of professional people? There may be some people who believe this and I have no time for them. If we accept that this is necessarily the case and that those children find themselves in those schools for a whole complex series of reasons over which they, individually, have very little control, we will be in a better position to understand the situation. I agree wholeheartedly with what Senator Brosnahan said about educational priority areas, now apparently a priority of the present Government, and of the need to create, in so far as it can be created, a fine environment for children at school in those areas. I think it was Senator Brosnahan who told me on one occasion that it is not so very long ago since the same architects were employed by the Board of Works to build both prisons and schools. I hasten to add that I do not think it was under any administration of recent times. There are many schools in this city and in other urban areas, built perhaps around the turn of the century or slightly earlier, which from the outside have all the appearances of prisons and I suspect on the inside as well. Some of them have windows from which small children could look out. We must realise that the whole spectrum of deprivation which puts those children at risk from the moment they are born, and perhaps even before that, is something that cannot be solved by a piecemeal approach. This is why I am calling as a matter of urgency for the Government to take the whole question of family legislation seriously and to codify and update the existing laws. 125 I should like to refer to another matter. We cannot assume, without being inhuman to an incredible degree, that those children are there [125] just because they are bad. We must accept that they are locked into a vicious cycle of deprivation and delinquency and we have got to accept that we, in very many ways, unwittingly have contributed to the perpetuation of this cycle. Senator Brosnahan referred to research about the importance of people who have care of very young children. I am sure he too is aware of research which shows, very particularly in the case of teachers, that children tend to perform in school in terms of their teachers’ expectations of them. In other words, the child who is well dressed, well spoken and clean will achieve more at school than a child of similar innate ability but who is not so well dressed, tends to be late for school, is not perhaps very clean and who has an accent which marks him off as the product of one particular street rather than another. This is part of the cycle which I have been describing. Teachers—it is human nature and one cannot blame them—tend to respond to characteristics in children of which they approve. They tend very often, quite unconsciously, to discriminate against children whose abilities may be no less and whose need may be greater than the favourite ones in class. This is part of the contribution to the vicious circle which I have mentioned. There is another element, and that is the sentencing policy in our courts. I should like to call your attention, first of all to a matter of fact—the statement on page 75 of the report about the rather extraordinary way in which our present policy and system operate. Paragraph 10.19 of the report reads: 126 One anomaly which exists in the present system is that three youthful offenders may receive three different sentences for the one offence, the least guilty receiving the longest sentence. For example, a 12 year old, a 14 year old and a 16 year old may commit an offence which will lead to the 12 year old being committed to Letterfrack, Galway, for three years, the 14 year to St. Conleth’s, Daingean, for two years and [126] the 16 year old to St. Patrick’s, Dublin, for one year. This state of affairs gives a hint that the practice of sentencing is open to careful and sensitive review. What I have said about teachers applies pari passu to judges. One does not have to be very well read to be kept in touch with case after case in the courts where the well-spoken, well-dressed, clean child with an expensive solicitor and anxious parents, both in court, will get a lighter sentence than the working-class child whose parents may not even know that he will be in court that day. When we consider that 80 per cent of the children in the industrial and reformatory schools, according to the report, are there because they have been committed by the courts, we will realise that the whole question of sentencing needs to be looked at very closely. I would strongly suggest to the Parliamentary Secretary that research funds be made available by the Department of Education for an authoritative study, perhaps by a university group, on the practice and consistency of sentencing in our Children’s Courts. One such study was carried out in respect of a totally different matter in Northern Ireland recently by people who studied the differences between the sentencing of Catholics and Protestants in the Northern Ireland courts. This is the kind of research which tells us more about our society and its assumptions than any generalisation can do. I would strongly recommend it to the Parliamentary Secretary’s attention.

Ends.

#66 2006-11-23 23:25:19 Setanta
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==Statement 5.== [LIES AND FALSE ALLEGATIONS OF CHILD ABUSE MADE BY CHILDREN FROM SAINT JOSEPHS ORPHANAGE KILKENNY CITY IRELAND ]
Would Dr.Michael Corry like to consider the innocent victims,and their innocent families that have been falsely accused by unscrupulous applicants to the Residential Institutions Redress Board ?

Would Dr.Corry like to think, and examine  the suffering that comes to people like myself, an innocent victim ? I can see this learned mans biased, and cruel attitude against me and innocent people who have been falsely accused by unscrupulous applicants to the Redress Board.

A year ago, I supplied Dr.Corry with evidence that some applicants to the Redress Board had lied, and given false sworn evidence, and committed perjury, while alleging that they had suffered sexual, physical and mental abuse while they were resident in St.Josephs Industrial School Kilkenny over thirty years ago.

But ,in kind with the elusive Irish Health Board Social Workers, and the crooked Gardai, and the crooked solicitors, Dr.Corry has chosen to remain silent on the matter.

Why all this Secrecy ?

I too am under threat of imprisonment, and financial loss, from the very crooked Redress Board should I reveal the vile proceedings that I have seen there.

I am at a loss to understand as to how so many Honorable,Astute , Learned and highly educated professional people can operate, and work in the Residential Institutions Redress Board ,while knowing that it is fundamentally flawed, and unconstitutional,and in violation of our Civil, National and International human rights.

And these people who are supposed to be the pillars of our society, are Judges, Solicitors, Barristers, Doctors and their staff.
And they are  all working, and operating in a system that is crooked.

I believe that it is wrongful of Dr.Corry to imply that any person named by a Redress Board applicant was “a perpetrator of a crime”.

I have been named by lying applicants to the Redress Board,and I have not committed any crime. I am not a perpetrator of a crime. I am Innocent.

I have seen statements to the Redress Board that are unsafe,and untruthful, and  I am sure that there are more suffering innocent victims that have been falsely accused by unscrupulous lying applicants to the Board.

I submit that the Redress Board encourages these lying applicants to lie, and destroy innocent men ,women and children, by what they have said,and they ,and their vile applicants can then hide, while being protected by the Boards draconian rules and its Secrecy.

And to add insult to injury, the Redress Board then pays the lying individuals and their legal council large sums of money, as their reward for doing their vile damages to our innocent and unsuspecting society.

Dr.Corry, your patients analogy “An adult-Man or Woman” is inaccurate, and fundamentally flawed. With your qualifications, I think that you should be aware of all the facts, and then use them to guide your patient in a balanced, informed and right direction.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Furthermore, your biased opinion states “They can have their perpetrators named”

Are you really in favour of this witch-hunt opinion which accepts guilt without a fair trial?

Have you even got the slightest idea of what can happen to an innocent person and an innocent family ,when  Witch-Hunt neighbors find out that he or she has been accused of child abuse ?

If you are suggesting a fair and level playing field ? Then are you prepared to name your patients who are applicants to the Crooked Redress Board ?

Will any Solicitor name their client who is an applicant to the Redress Board ?

Will any Solicitor show their clients statements made to the Redress Board ?

Will the Redress Board show any statements ?

Will the Redress Board pursue lying applicants  ?

Has any member of the Irish public ever seen any statement of application to the Residential Institutions Redress Board ?

The Gardai know about the unsafe statements that they have written for some  lying Redress Board applicants.  Who will pursue the Crooked Gardai ?(The Irish Police Force)

Crooked Solicitors have presented statements on behalf of their unscrupulous clients to the Redress Board, and claimed redress, while destroying innocent people.  Who will pursue them ?

Barristers have presented statements for redress that are known to them as being unsafe and untruthful.  Who will pursue them ?

And what about the Redress Board Judge who sees, and knows all.
Who will pursue the Crooked Redress Board Judge ?

Regards, Setanta.

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#67 2006-11-24 16:24:22 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin
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ABUSE VICTIMS/SURVIVORS AND THE RESIDENTIAL REDRESS BOARD

Madam,
Dr Michael Corry’s heroic stance in relation to the activities of the Residential Institutions Redress Board (May 19th) must be commended. Dr Corry wrote that in giving evidence to the board on behalf of three patients, two of whom had been under his care for over 10 years, he “felt under time pressure, and worse, that [he] was an unwelcome irritation slowing down proceedings. An atmosphere of minimisation prevailed. It was impossible to present a complete picture “.

If this is how a psychiatrist felt, one can only imagine the anguish that victims of institutional abuse must feel as they try to regurgitate their years of hellish abuse, behind closed doors, to a board which clearly doesn’t wish to know the full extent of their painful pasts.

Might it be that the redress board is concerned that if it hears all the gory details in their entirety, perhaps it would feel morally compelled to compensate victims with amounts equivalent to High Court awards for similar types of abuse? Raymond Noctor, a victim of institutional abuse, is a classic example. He was recently awarded €370,000 in the High Court. To date the average award paid out at the Redress Board is €78,000.

Before accepting an award, victims must sign a conditional secrecy agreement and a waiver on taking further legal action. If victims publicly disclose amounts awarded or the facts of their case, they can face fines of €3,000 or €25,000 and/or six months or two years’ imprisonment. In contrast, Raymond Noctor had no such constraints. He spoke openly and eloquently on the Joe Duffy radio show about the facts of his case and the award made. Discrimination is another form of abuse.

Raymond’s partner, friends, and counsellor were all permitted to be present at the High Court, if he so wished. The media too, were allowed. Alas, the Redress Board does not operate this equitable practise. Instead, victims are prohibited from bringing a spouse/partner, a friend or a counsellor into the hearing. The media too, are prohibited.

Victims are alone and defenceless as they try to articulate their stories, worrying all the while whether they will be believed or not, and feeling helpless to respond to disparaging remarks made to them, about themselves and their parents, by some members of the board. Victims feel alone, unprotected and isolated, feelings they experienced during their years of abuse in institutions.

Is it any wonder that Dr Corry “found the discomfort of waiting in a side room. . .aware of [his] patients’ fears and worries, unbearable”?

It is no surprise that Dr Corry believes “there is emerging evidence that the Redress Board re-traumatises victims”. The National Counselling Service appears to hold a similar view. Recently it wrote to the Redress Board, expressing misgivings and concern about the damaging effect of board hearings on some of their clients. It would appear from the board’s response that it is unwilling to change.

It should be apparent that a full time counsellor at the Redress Board would be of enormous support to victims – and might encourage victims who have not yet used the service to do so.

Given that the Government pledged €10 million towards counselling following the Taoiseach’s apology in May 1999; and that the Commission of Inquiry into Residential Abuse has an excellent victim impact support system in operation, the question needs to be answered: why has the Redress Board decided to adopt such an unsympathetic approach?
Yours, etc,

CHRISTINE BUCKLEY, Aislinn Centre for Support and Education of Victims of Institutional Abuse, Jervis House, Dublin 1.

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 #68 2006-11-24 16:33:42 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin
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RESIDENTIAL INSTITUTIONS REDRESS BOARD

Letters to the Editor – Irish Times
Madam,
Dr Michael Corry’s letter of May 19th highlighted many of the reasons why I took the decision to go on hunger strike for 22 days in April 2004.

I read his letter with keen interest and waited in hope to read replies from the professional bodies involved with survivors of abuse in relation to the Redress Board. I expected replies from Dr Corry’s professional colleagues – psychiatrists who, like him, attend the Redress Board, where some of them have had their professional integrity undermined.

I hoped to read letters from survivors’ solicitors and barristers. These professional people have witnessed at first hand what Dr Corry outlines in his letter, ie the humiliation and intimidation visited on their clients when they appear in front of the board. I expected letters from survivor’s counsellors, who listen to their clients tell of their degrading experiences in an atmosphere that renders many of them too frightened to talk.

Alas, Dr Corry is a lone voice among the above-mentioned professional bodies. Questions arise. Are these professional people sworn to a similar kind of secrecy to that demanded of survivors when they sign to accept the financial pittance offered to them for the drip-feed devastation of their childhoods and the brokenness they continue to suffer in their adult lives? Is it a case of “Terms and conditions apply”? Is there another layer of reasons for the professional people’s silent response to Dr Corry’s letter?

I feel I talk for many survivors when I say: my entire life has been blighted by the abuse I experienced in my childhood. When a person’s childhood is systematically abused, day upon day, year upon year, be the abuse emotional or physical, a person’s entire humanity is abused; no part of a person’s integrity escapes this degradation.

We survivors of institutional abuse, whose childhoods were annihilated, are today’s broken adults. We survive in a state of continuous bewilderment; we are drifting, to quote Dr Corry, “from one crisis to another”, in hope that somehow, somewhere, some day the atrocities committed against us as children might begin to make sense.

However, there is one way to protect survivors from further abuse by the Redress Board. This one way is for the professional bodies mentioned in this letter to join Dr Corry in his struggle to bring about change in the tyrannical atmosphere that prevails in the board at present.

The above mentioned professional people have one kind of power. The power to insist – indeed they have a moral duty to demand – that their clients, survivors of institutional abuse, be afforded the respect and dignity denied them as children.

Maybe then the Goddess Themis will smile on her scales of right and justice, as they begin to balance with dignity and respect for one section of the most vulnerable adults in Irish society today.

On behalf of all survivors of institutional abuse, I would like to thank Dr Corry for the compassion and heartfelt concern he shows for us all in his letter. – Yours, etc, TOM SWEENEY © Irish Times – 20.06.05

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 #69 2006-11-24 16:43:22 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin
 

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Abuse was widespread. RONALD McCARTAN, FRESHWATER ROAD, DAGENHAM Mr John Fitzgerald (Letters, June 14) indicates quotes and remarks made by men and women who as children were sentenced to serve terms of detention within the Irish industrial and reformatory system are groundless and in some cases downright lies. Whilst I cannot make comment on events which occurred in day schools or national schools in the 1940s to 1970s I can, without fear of contradiction, remark on the outright brutality perpetrated by so-called Christian Brothers and others on defenceless children sentenced to terms ranging from as little as one year to sixteen years or more within the confines of institutions such as Artane, Letterfrack, Dangean and other such places. One only has to read the tracts published each day, resulting from evidence given by representatives of the numerous different religious orders to the Commission to enquire into institutional Child Abuse to find acceptance of statements of survivors in relation to physical, mental, emotional and sexual abuses which occurred in these places. Whilst Mr Fitzgerald may well have received reasonable education at the hands of similar Christian Brothers in order to prepare him for his place in society most of us confined within the four walls of these institutions were forced into manual labour at the expense of similar reasonable education. Whereas he had a home to go to each evening we remained at the mercy of these monsters twenty four seven the whole year round. It is apparently acceptable to renounce those who attended the Commission to Enquire and the Redress Board as fabricators of untrue stories or lies but I would remind him and other correspondents that only two people have been found to be lying out of a total of some thousands who have given evidence to crimes perpetrated against their persons by those responsible for their care. Namely, Christian Brothers, nuns and priests. Acceptance of your religious beliefs is acceptable to me, even without positive evidence of their origins. Acceptance of the brutality and indifference which pertained within the Institutional and Reformatory System in Ireland in those years and which has been clearly outlined in numerous enquiries and reports established by governments of different persuasions cannot be all inaccurate. 

Redress is open to abuse Tuesday June 27th 2006
In reply to Ronald McCartan (Letters, June 21), I want to say that I have no argument with his contention that many inmates of Irish industrial and reformatory schools were most horribly abused by the people to whose care they were entrusted.

The ill-treatment of all those victims was, and remains, a crime against humanity that all right-thinking people must accept was perpetrated in a so-called “Christian” society. There should be no attempt to minimise the effects of the abuse on its victims.

I also accept that any person guilty of committing that most detestable crime of sexual abuse should be subjected to the heaviest penalties..Where I have a problem with much of what has been broadcast and written is that it often comes dangerously close to tarring ALL careworkers who happened to serve in those archaic and unhappy institutions as fiends and monsters.

They were not.

Many of them were decent, caring, compassionate human beings who did everything in their power, allowing for the adverse social and economic circumstances of their time, to ease the plight of inmates.

Even in the cases of institutions where a number of care workers have been rightly and effectively exposed as abusers, former inmates have gone to considerable lengths to clarify that other carers, religious or otherwise, in those same institutions were blameless and have commended their stewardship. Whether a carer is nun, a priest, a brother, or a lay worker, I believe that he or she ought to be entitled to a good name and unblemished reputation unless and until convincing and compelling evidence is produced to substantiate an abuse allegation against them.

I have a serious problem with a redress system that literally permits the stigmatising of people who have not been convicted of any crime in a court of law.

A person who comes before the Residential Institutions Redress Board (RIRB) and makes an allegation concerning abuse can be taken at his or her word in the absence of third party eye-witnesses… and compensated for the alleged abuse.

The person who is the subject of the allegation, though not found guilty in a legal sense, is then inevitably perceived to be guilty of a most heinous crime, simply because another person, who may or may not be telling the truth, has been compensated for the alleged, though unproven, offence.

The Irish redress system is based on a similar scheme launched in Canada in 1984 to compensate victims of institutional abuse.

Hundreds of Canadian careworkers filed legal actions claiming they were falsely accused, and only last week newspapers reported that eleven of these have been awarded a total of $7.5 million for having been wronged by false accusers. Many other cases are in pending in the Canadian courts.

I predict that a large number of such cases will surface here in Ireland too after the redress board has completed its hearings and deliberations. And the tax-payer will be footing the bill.

So I say, with the greatest respect to Ronald McCartin: There should be no hiding place for sexual abusers . . . or false accusers.

JOHN FITZGERALD,
CO KILKENNY

© Irish Independent

“The Irish redress system is based on a similar scheme launched in Canada in 1984 to compensate victims of institutional abuse. Hundreds of Canadian careworkers filed legal actions claiming they were falsely accused, and only last week newspapers reported that eleven of these have been awarded a total of $7.5 million for having been wronged by false accusers. Many other cases are in pending in the Canadian courts”……………………………
Mr. Fitzgerald, ‘the abused’ in this case were awarded over 50 million dollars……. Lee Keating and his gang lobbied the Canadian Progressive Conservatives saying they were falsely accused. SUBSEQUENTLY they held meetings with the soon-to-be government (meetings, suffice it to say, which were not held with ‘the abused’) and got a Commission and a Report – which even a justice of the Nova Scotia Supreme Court said was politically motivated. They then launched a class action lawsuit on the basis of it and got a settlement, mysteriously, just a couple of weeks before another provincial election. A demand of Keating and his gang throughout all this was that the police stop investigating them. So they were never proved to be wrongly accused. They just had more clout. Mr John Fitzgerald, among the people you call – “wrongly accused”, are ‘abusers’ who just got themselves rewarded a nice pension. ‘The abused’ never asked the Canadian police to stop investigating THEM. How many of them, Mr. Fitzgerald, were actually charged with making false allegations? And how “many other cases are there in pending in the Canadian courts”?…… Name them……. Like I say, Mr. Fitzgerald, you’re full of wind!……………..Comment from: a Canadian victim/survivor of institutional abuse.

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 #70 2006-11-25 00:07:00 Setanta
 

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== Statement 6.== [LIES AND FALSE ALLEGATIONS OF CHILD ABUSE MADE BY CHILDREN FROM SAINT JOSEPHS ORPHANAGE KILKENNY CITY IRELAND.]

And is it to be believed,that because of what I have said about being falsely accused by unscrupulous lying applicants to the Redress Board, that I am full of wind too ?

You appear to imply that applicants  have been honest and faithful in completing their applications and statements to the Residential Institutions Board since its inception in 2002.

And I have noted that there are other statements ,signed and witnessed by the Gardai in 1995 which were also submitted by lying applicants to the Board for redress.

Do you really believe in fair justice ?

I submit that the evidence is already there which may,or may not substantiate   your implied beliefs.

Our Crooked Solicitors hold this evidence in secret.
The Gardai (Crooked Irish Police Force ) hold this evidence in secret.

And what about the thousands of statements being held in total secrecy by The Crooked Residential Redress Board in Dublin.

Why are all these statements kept in secret ?

How can any innocent citizen of Ireland challenge a  statement that is being held in secret, that is never shown to him or her ?

When an innocent person is about to be shot dead by a firing squad under the command of a vicious dictatorship,they will know the reason as to why they are about to die.

But in Ireland, an innocent person can be falsely accused of child abuse, and be condemned to a life of misery and devastation, while being denied his or her Constitutional, Civil, National and International Right to view what has been said, and to defend himself/herself.
Regards Setanta..

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 #71 2006-11-25 16:22:04 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin

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Setanta: Why don’t you contact organisations out there that are sympathetic to your cause. No doubt they will guide you through the many ‘procedures’ open to you to pursue a class suit action against the STATE, EDUCATION DEPARTMENT, REDRESS BOARD, RYAN COMMISSION, FERNS REPORT, AND THE UPCOMNG MURPHY INQUIRY INTO THE DUBLIN ARCHDIOCESE, ETC. Perhaps you could also send a missive to the religious WHO DONATED ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY EIGHT MILLION EURO AS A GESTURE OF ‘goodwill’  TOWARDS THE MANY THOUSANDS WHO ENDURED HORRENDOUS TORTURES OF EVERY NATURE IMAGINABLE IN THE INSTITUTIONS OF IRELAND. F YOU HAVE A GRIPE, TAKE IT UP WITH THE RELEVANT AUTHORITIES AND KINDLY DESIST FROM LABELLING ‘THE ABUSED’ AS YOUR ‘TORMENTORS’. I see nothing of relevance in your posting, other than an emotional rant directed more at the abused than at the Redress Board. AN IRISH VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE, NOW DOMICILED IN GREAT BRITAIN

PS:
Re above posting but one it should  have been signed off with: “CANADIAN” VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE, MY APOLOGIES!

Three more comments = not mine!

And remember too ‘setanta’ {I note that SETANTA contains the word SATAN} that EVERY CHILD incarcerated in these INSTITUTIONS was in there ILLEGALLY …. and nobody … not even the EDUCATED ELITE that you harangue, did anything to rescue these children …. some estimates of how many children were incarcerated by the “religious” orders go as high as 150,000 … YES, 150,000 children — completely innocent children who had their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ripped from them … as did their parents …. a REDRESS BOARD for the parents is  the NEXT STEP in the process of exposing the corruption of these “religious” orders … AN IRISH VICTIM OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

Can you explain “blatantly  BIASED ”  WHY there are many ‘abuse’ victim’s/survivor’s who have gone through the “REDRESS” procedure and came out feeling further abused and insulted? …. Yet in ALL CASES before the “Redress” Board, the named “religious” orders and their members (former and present) have had their chance to REPLY ,,,,, In MOST CASES these orders and their members have refused this chance. So if there are complaints about those allegedly ‘wrongly accused’ from these orders they have ONLY THEMSELVES TO BLAME. AN IRISH VICTIM OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.

RE: The Residential Institutions Redress Board.
1. We have the witchunters, the begrudgers, very sick attention seekers; people who got on the redress bandwagon in order to gain notoriety; failed ex-religious; the religious who think ‘denial’ is in Egypt as opposed to in their hearts and minds; we have the wannabe ‘spouting’ journalists and the Sister Breda’s who are an absolute pain in the jaw.

2. We have a fast track method of redress in which the actual survivor never gets to present his/her case in reality and in the main is left with only a vague description as to what the solicitor presented or the Redress Board Committee accepted as evidence as to his /her suffering.

3. We have a Redress Board composed of personnel who have not the remotest idea of what an Industrial or Reformatory School was/is like.

4. We have a Redress Board composed of the silver spoon brigade. Educated at the very finest institutes not Institutions such as Letterfrack, Artane Daingean or Goldenbridge.

5. We have a piece of legislation accepted as law by the Irish Parliament but treated as a pet project by the Committee set in place to manage the financial redress of the survivors of some of the most iniquitous atrocities ever perpetrated upon children in captivity.

6. We have a piece of legislation which has determined that the Law in Ireland is as open to abuse today as it was when they imposed a criminal conviction on each and every child ordered to be detained within the confines of the Industrial and Reformatory Institutions.

7. We have a piece of legislation which the Redress Board feel they can amend every and any time it suits their agenda.

8. We have a piece of legislation which no Group Leader or Solicitor who claims to be representing the victims has sought to place before the Courts of Justice for verification of its different aspects.

9. We have an illegal bond of silence placed upon every victim who seeks redress for what they endured. It is a fact this ban on the imparting of what occurs within the Redress Board would not be tolerated anywhere else in the world and the Redress Board Committee and the Irish Judicial System know this only too well. I have in my possession a letter indicating that what I have just said is true. Special advantages which the Redress Board have in Ireland would be considered illegal outside the boundaries of that God forsaken Country. Try to get any Solicitor representing Survivors to test its legality in court.

10. We have victims reduced to tears having been awarded paltry sums of money for their years of torture, physical, mental, emotional and finally spiritual abuse. Yes! Spiritual Abuse.

11. We have a Redress Board determined to reduce the amount of average awards as cases continue, and indeed will, in the final analysis, reduce the amount of awards to nothing unless survivors take some form of positive action.

12. We have individuals feeling very bitter as they consider their situation after being compelled by their legal teams to accept the token awards as full and just compensation for what they have endured under threat. If people appeal against an award imposed, the Redress Board in an effort to stifle such application will invariably reduce the original amount awarded.

13. We have people taking their cases to the courts and who are achieving awards up to three time the largest amount offered to survivors for infinitely less suffering than that endured by victims of the Industrial and Reformatory School System

14. Sadly we have an ever growing group of people wishing they had taken their cases to the civil courts where they would have at least sampled some sort of Justice.

15. And finally we have the constant threat from the Redress Board chairman that he will take punitive action against any survivor who dares to relate events of what occurs within the confines of the Redress Board. This indicates to me that the personnel of the Redress Board believe they alone are the individuals upon whom the worst publicised abuses were ever inflicted on…………An Irish victim of institutional Abuse.
MY COMMENT.

Setanta,
Please desist from tarring all victim’s/survivor’s of institutional abuse with the same brush. By all means make your views known about St Joseph’s, Kilkenny, and the wrong you assert was visited upon you; just as I do vis-à-vis the mother and baby unit, {Regina Coeli}, Legion of Mary, Nth  Brunswick St. Dublin and Goldenbridge Industrial School, late of – Inchicore, Dublin. My advise is: do not waste fundamental oomph, vigour and time on issues that distinctively do not relate to your state of affairs. By all means fight the injustice that you contend occurred…..But do you at all cost have to find an ex-institutional whipping boy/girl – man/woman to channel it, and allow it to obscure and dominate your mind?  Blameless innocent victim’s/survivor’s whose lives were worn and torn to shreds by the vicious, callous, merciless, uncompromising  and heartless regime that existed in the institutional industrial school organism of the past are notwithstanding easy targets……………You are transferring all your pent – up anger, {which I entirely empathise, if there was a miscarriage of justice} in the erroneous direction.‘
Nonetheless, One institution = ‘bad apple’ from your {perspective} basket should be held answerable and {from ’your acuity’} be cast aside. From ‘your prerogative’ yes, yes, yes – that should be so.  Nevertheless, it only causes contamination,= unfathomable antipathy, confrontation and mar if the ‘bad apple’ is assertively, and aggressively {by the beholder – who is devoid of focal point, vision or insight} hurled in the midst of the whole of the institutions = basket of apples, ……all therein are thus undeniably bruised and held responsible, through no fault of theirs for the rottenness of the alleged ‘one bad apple’ – for no absurd rationale……………………………………….Casting aspersions, and making unfounded rash judgments about people whose lives you know nothing about is not going to change one iota the circumstances in which you find yourself. Victims/survivors of institutional abuse in general are not the perpetrators of the dreadful deeds that you allege were bestowed upon you……OVER 14,500 have applied to the Residential Institutions Redress Board, for ‘AWARDS’. .At any given time there were ONLY 80 detainees in St Joseph’s, Industrial School, Kilkenny. There is a vast difference between both figures quoted. In your summation, 95% of those who have, or who are in the process of attending the RIRB are LIARS. Sounds utterly and outrageously ludricrous. To round off, 95% of victim’s/survivor’s, of whom, by the same token, and the mere fact of having been illegally incarcerated in those dreadful child friendless prisons and gulags could easily point the finger at you and cast doubts. I wonder how that would feel!
Irrespective of the order of the rest of the apples, you ought to only worry about the state of ‘your own apple’……namely, St Joseph’s Kilkenny.

BY THE WAY, IF ONE PLACES A BAD APPLE UNDER AN APPLE TREE IT CAUSES HUMUS AND THE TREE FLOURISHES ON IT..AT HARVEST TIME, THE BIRDS OF THE EARTH FLY TO IT TO FEED OFF ITS RICHNESS. IN THE AFTERMATH. IS THAT NOT A POSITIVE THOUGHT?.
Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin

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 #72 2006-11-25 21:05:57 Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin

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The Institutions left victim’s/survivor’s with the following Legacies.

For those of you who have already gone through Redress, and those yet still to do so the following paragraphs will be of enormous interest, horror, bewilderment and anger. Of interest to you since a lot of you, until recently, were not aware of the consequences of a bad diet when we were growing up in Institutions. Horror due to what is foreseen to occur in later life as a consequence of Malnutrition. Finally, anger. For those of you who have signed the document which disbars one from taking any Court action in the future, it is only then that you will realise why. It will become clear to you when you are in agony from Arthritis or some other debilitating disease which was just waiting to appear as a direct consequence of the really bad food we were given in early life by the religious people, anger at the state for hiding these facts from you, fully knowing what would happen in later life and finally, anger at oneself for not stopping to ask the question – If I am being held equal before the Law – why is there a need to (1) not disclose the settlement figure, and (2) Why sign away any future litigation? People held equal before the law do not need to sign away their rights.

You are signing away your right to future litigation for 2 reasons. 1, you were short changed in the monetary sense at Redress, and 2, it is going to cost the individual and or family or both an absolute fortune in Doctors, Hospital visits and drugs etc, the government have known this for some time and want to save the enormous expense that this will incur. Of course, there will be those of you who are already incurring these costs.

The bottom line is the government, in giving Redress is not actually living up to the true meaning of Redress, since at some point in the future you will actually give the money back (via Doctors etc) to the state in some form or another.

Read the following paragraphs on Malnutrition, a few of many from an 83 page document on just that subject.

Malnutrition: Causes, consequences

Violates children’s rights in profound ways

Compromising their physical and mental development

Sound nutrition can change children’s lives, improve their physical and mental development, protect their health and lay a firm foundation for future productivity.

Malnourished children often suffer the loss of precious mental capacities. They fall ill more often. If they survive, they may grow up with lasting mental or physical disabilities.

This human suffering and waste happen because of illness – much of it preventable. Its ravages extend to the survivors who are left crippled, chronically vulnerable to illness – and intellectually disabled.

Malnutrition is not, as many think, a simple matter of whether a child can satisfy her appetite. A child who eats enough to satisfy immediate hunger can still be malnourished.

Research indicates a link between malnutrition in early life – including the period of foetal growth – and the development later in life of chronic conditions like coronary heart disease, diabetes and high blood pressure, giving the countries in which malnutrition is already a major problem new cause for concern.

Among children, malnutrition is especially prone to strike those who lack nutritionally adequate diets, are not protected from frequent illness and do not receive adequate care.

Illness is frequently a consequence of malnutrition.

There is no one kind of malnutrition.

Vitamin A deficiency, which affects about 100 million young children worldwide, was long known to cause blindness. But it has become increasingly clear that even mild vitamin A deficiency also impairs the immune system, reducing children’s resistance to diarrhoea. At its most basic level, malnutrition is a consequence of disease and inadequate dietary intake, which usually occur in a debilitating and often lethal combination. But many more elements – social, political, economic, cultural – are involved beyond the physiological.

Malnourished children, unlike their well-nourished peers, not only have lifetime disabilities and weakened immune systems, but they also lack the capacity for learning that their well-nourished peers have.

In young children, malnutrition dulls motivation and curiosity and reduces play and exploratory activities. These effects, in turn, impair mental and cognitive development by reducing the amount of interaction children have both with their environment, and with those who provide care.

Robbed of their mental as well as physical potential, malnourished children who live past childhood face diminished futures. They will become adults with lower physical and intellectual abilities, lower levels of productivity and higher levels of chronic illness and disability.

And investments in basic education by governments and their partners are compromised by malnutrition’s pernicious effects on brain development and intellectual performance.

Some 67 million children are estimated to be wasted, which means they are below the weight they should be for their height – the result of reduced dietary intake, illness, or both.

The effects of malnutrition also cross generations. The infants of women who are themselves malnourished and underweight are likely to be small at birth.

The power of good nutrition.

The devastation of malnutrition is hard to overstate, but so is the countervailing power of nutrition. Not only is good nutrition the key to the healthy development of individuals, families and societies, but there is also growing reason to believe that improving the nutrition of women and children will contribute to overcoming some of the greatest health challenges facing the world, including the burden of chronic and degenerative disease, maternal mortality, malaria and AIDS.

The most obvious proof of the power of good nutrition can be seen in the taller, stronger, healthier children of many countries, separated by only a generation from their shorter, less robust parents, and by the better diets and more healthful, nurturing environments they enjoy.

Stronger children grow into stronger, more productive adults.

Well-nourished girls grow into women who face fewer risks during pregnancy and childbearing, and whose children set out on firmer developmental paths, physically and mentally. And history shows that societies that meet women’s and children’s nutritional needs also lift their capacities for greater social and economic progress.

The right to good nutrition.

However far-reaching the benefits of nutrition may be, ensuring good nutrition is a matter of international law, articulated in variously specific language in international declarations and human rights instruments dating back to the adoption of the Declaration of the Rights of the Child in 1924 (Panel 4).

Under the 1979 Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, for example, States parties must ensure that women receive full and equal access to health care, including adequate nutrition during pregnancy and lactation. And the 1990 World Summit for Children, with a Plan of Action that recognized the devastating effects of malnutrition on women and their children, set specific nutritional goals for children and women, including access to adequate food during pregnancy and lactation; the promotion, protection and support of breastfeeding and complementary feeding practices; growth monitoring with appropriate follow-up actions; and nutritional surveillance.

But the right to nutrition receives its fullest and most ringing expression in the 1989 Convention on the Rights of the Child, whose 191 ratifications as of late 1997 make it the most universally embraced human rights instrument in history.

Under the Convention, which commits States parties to realize the full spectrum of children’s political, civil, social, economic and cultural rights, virtually every government in the world recognizes the right of all children to the highest attainable standard of health, to facilities for the treatment of illness and for the rehabilitation of health – specifically including the right to good nutrition and its three vital components: food, health and care.

Under the Convention’s pre-eminent guiding principle, good child nutrition is a right because it is in the “best interests of the child.”

Article 24 of the Convention specifies that States parties must take “appropriate measures” to reduce infant and child mortality, and to combat disease and malnutrition through the use of readily available technology and through the provision of adequate, nutritious foods and safe drinking water.

The world is obligated to ease child malnutrition on the basis of international law, scientific knowledge, practical experience and basic morality.

The ravages caused by malnutrition on individuals, families and societies are preventable. The measures needed to reduce and end it are becoming increasingly well understood. And the gains for humanity from doing so – in greater creativity, energy, productivity, well-being and happiness – are immeasurable .VICTIM/SURVIVOR OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE’


Fighting sexual abuse with a dose of self-hate.

Dr. Michael Corry looks at how sexual abuse leads to self-loathing.

The emerging self, with its inherent potential, needs to be protected and, like a seedling, nurtured in fertile ground.

Sexual abuse, like no other trauma, eclipses this natural unfolding with an impact of such magnitude that is rarely appreciated. Upwards of 150,000 adult women and men in Ireland have experienced statutory rape in childhood. Five times that figure experienced other forms of sexual abuse, ranging from inappropriate touching to the forced witnessing of exposure.

Picture an infant, whose window on the world is the rim of their cot, whose cry or smile elicits the unqualified, unconditional attention of her mother and father, their watchful eyes holding her gaze completely, making her feel, for those moments, the absolute centre of the world. In the infant’s tiny mind an inner knowing is forming – “I have made this happen.”

Now put yourself in her tiny shoes and fast forward to a time when the same apparently loving father is gradually beginning to express his ‘love’ in a sexual manner involving you in sex games, which evolve over time into full sexual intimacy such as that shared by consenting adults. Your protestations are mollified, your co-operation validated and your secrecy rewarded. Variations of this premature sexualisation occur. Not for some fathers the process of seduction, but rather sadistic brutal intercourse instilling terror and pain, where every orifice is violated. You have no escape.

Drunk or sober, day or night, he has access to you. Your reason for living has been reduced to being a sexual object, a sex slave. Once again, and in both examples of fathers, the belief holds – “I have made this happen.” The same interpretation will be formed if the attentions are those of a grandfather, uncle, sibling, neighbour or babysitter.

Fast forward again. You are now a teenager, perhaps at this stage no longer being actively abused, you now live a secret life besieged by guilt, shame, depression and self-loathing. School life becomes meaningless. Recreational drugs and alcohol bring anaesthesia. Suicide – the ultimate escape – is always on the agenda.

Frequently, early sexual abuse can be of such overwhelming intensity that the immature mind buries it beyond awareness in the deepest recesses of the unconscious. However, this powerful energy cannot be fully sealed off. The mental turmoil within may see you engaging in complex obsessive-compulsive thoughts and rituals – hours scrubbing your body in the shower, frequently washing and changing your clothes, engaging in checking routines and endless mental scrabble, without knowing why. The imposition of order and self-discipline quells your anxiety. You may withhold food through calorie counting and starvation rituals, and engage in self-mutilation practices for release of tension.

In adult life, abuse may express itself primarily as depression. It is depressing to have intimacy problems, to fear touch, to feel confused about your sexual identity, to repress and feel shame of the self as a sexual being. It is depressing to be haunted by images and sensations that you can’t explain; such as feelings of stubble against your face, the pressure of body parts against yours, and the pervasive smell of alcohol and sweat.

Over the years you come to loathe and despise yourself for these peculiarities, holding your personality responsible. Why wouldn’t you? There doesn’t seem to be any other explanation. “It must be me, I must have a sick mind.”

Boys do not escape. Those who were incarcerated in industrial schools have borne witness to this. Many were exposed to regimes of unbridled rape and violence which lasted for years, at the hands of sadistic sexual perverts answerable to no one. Their threats of unspeakable violence ensured availability and silence.

The majority of survivors – their chance of a normal life diminished from the beginning, with their lives totally derailed, and their humanity denied – learned to place no value on themselves. They drifted from one crisis to another, their past littered with criminal behaviour, prison records, substance misuse, dysfunctional relationships, mistrust of authority and family breakdown.

Powerless to bring stability to their lives, many suffered from depression and other serious psychiatric orders, beginning a life-long relationship with mental hospitals.

The greatest tragedy of all is that this population feel robbed not just of their innocence, but of their inner light, as if their very soul has been taken away. I have worked not just with survivors of abuse in the industrial schools but also with those who fell victim to the predatory behaviour of priests in certain boarding schools who lured them in, on the basis that they were intelligent, ‘special’ boys with spiritual potential, needing guidance with their sexuality.

The ‘guidance’ offered was in fact a gradual seduction process, which commenced with the exploration of things sexual, stimulating their curiosity, providing skewed answers and finally grooming them towards the acceptance of mutual touching, masturbation and penetrative sex. To this day, married or single, many are haunted by flashbacks of their abuser’s body odour, the taste of their sperm, the very touch of their fingers, the sound of their voice and the image of their presence. The experience was encoded not just in consciousness but in cellular memory where it can be triggered into life and relived in an instant, such as, paradoxically, during sexual intimacy with their partner, when the image of the first seductions by their abuser intrudes, causing avoidance and sexual dysfunction.

The sexually abused are truly the walking wounded, living out private hells, their lives irreparably shaped by the experience. Behind the mask of many a so-called ‘biological’ or ‘clinical’ depression lies a history of sexual trauma which cannot be dissipated by a pill or a course of electric shock treatment. This is the domain of psychotherapy. The painful process of peeling back the layers of trauma within a psychotherapeutic relationship, so that they can be truly seen, verbalised and integrated, is a lengthy one, sometimes without any satisfactory resolution, so all-pervasive is the damage.

To compound matters, there are numerous and formidable barriers put in the path of the abused in their quest for recognition, the result of which is to protect the perpetrators, minimise the extent of the abuse, and its life-long and far-reaching effects. This denial and disbelief not only re-traumatises victims, blocks restorative justice, but also impedes their healing process. Another more subtle obstruction to this healing is the failure on the part of doctors in so many cases to link depression with trauma of this kind, diagnosing it as a ‘new’ illness, the treatment of which bears no witness to its root causes.

Just on a lighter note to quell the brain after reading the two above very STRESSFUL articles

As the fella/lassie says – THERE IS NOW’T SO GOOD AS A RESTORED EQUILIBRIUM

I was trawling through the indymedia site, and a
poster therein was seeking the full recitation verse
of the Spider Rhyme. SO HERE GOES:

The itsy bitsy spider climbed up the water spout
Down came the rain, and washed the spider out
Out came the sun, and dried up all the rain
So the itsy bitsy spider climbed up the spout again.

There is a second, less well known verse.

Incy Wincy Spider climbed up the tree
Down came the snow and made poor Incy freeze
Out came the sunshine, and melted all the snow
So Incy Wincy Spider had another go.

I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE INDYMEDIA
VIEWERS SUPPORT RYS FORUM. SO IF YOU
ARE LOOKING IN ON THIS SPECIFIC ONE
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR PAST
SUPPORT. KEEP UP THE REPORTING. SLAN!
Do not ever let the child within go astray as
it is a big particle of your psychoanalytical
and spiritual life-form.
Marie-Therese.

MEDIA ALERT!
By: Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin
On behalf of a myriad of perturbed victim’s/survivor’s of institutional abuse I would like to ask the Irish media, explicitly – The Irish Times, and the Irish Independent why they only print verbatim, statements, from leaders of the government funded abuse groups? I might add again, why is it that a vast majority of the ex-detainees of the Irish institutions are being denied by the media, access? I wonder is this because the press like so many other Institutions wish to refute the facts of Irelands fierce historic past? I find it very ominous, baleful, malevolent, menacing and malignant indeed!……………………..
Geraldine Kennedy, Editor, Irish Times, in my casing of accepted wisdom is an old ‘poison dwarf’ brawny, stalwart supporter and ought, presumptuously to be more ‘progressive‘………Cronyism stinks and is not acceptable. We had perpetually in the past to live with same
Ms Kennedy has repetitively been reminded that we were in the past the most taciturn, voiceless citizens of Irish society. She ought not in the first occurrence needed to have been told THIS SAD FACT! I PLEADED WITH HER ON COPIOUS OCCASIONS TO FURNISH ME WITH A RIGHT OF REPLY TO LETTERS WHICH I SENT – AS INDEED WERE OTHER LETTERS FROM VARIOUS INSTITUTIONAL VICTIM’S/SURVIVOR’S.. I told her that I had cultured myself from having absorbed daily doses of ‘her progressive’ paper………………….And still she continued to turn a blind eyes to pressing, important, and righteous concerns. Forthwith, nothing albeit has given way, she will not move from her cosy perch………….She refuses outright to entertain the ordinary victim’s/survivor’s of institutional abuse. In her view, and in that of her brother and sister media contemporaries; we are purely inconsequential, irrelevant and insubordinate. In her/their mind’s eye, I ascertain, from their non-actions and non-co-operation, that we are from the lower echelons of society and merely not a force to be reckoned with.. We have no clout, so why should the media waste invaluable energy on nonentities. The MEDIA, LIKE SOLICITORS, ETC, ARE ‘IN BUSINESS’ AND THE LATTER RULES. If we were professional solicitors etc, the media shoe would be a glass slipper and it would be put on the weary foot. The media would be tripping over the glass stiletto heel to get to us…We would be handled with great care and dignity. Instead the latter merely whacks the forlorn and media preceived inarticulate victim’s/survivor’s with a worn dog-ragged slipper, thus trying to keep us down and in the right place the – gutter. It wants to keep its distance as it does not do ‘gutter!’ Stop Press!
I am also convinced that Geraldine Kennedy and her cohorts are just puppets on complicated entangled strings, and that the powers-that-be from the government are behind the curtains pulling the Residential Institutions Redress Board, and the Commission to Inquire Into Child Abuse media strings. While jerking frustratingly the twisted and knotted strings in the process as the ‘movers and shakers’ try desperately to maintain control of the wayward muppets/puppets, who naturally have the propensity to fly off in all directions, with all the manhandling……. PRECISE COORDINATION IS NEEDED AS IT OTHERWISE SENDS THE MOUTHPIECE VENTRILOQUIST INTO A FRENZY, THE PUPPETS CAN NOT BE SEEN TO BE SENDING OUT CONVOLUTED MISUNDERSTOOD MESSAGES/DIATRIBE/DRIVEL TO THE ALREADY UNINFORMED/MISINFORMED PUBLIC.

LIFE FOR Geraldine, AND THE REST OF THE BESPOKE – CLAD MEDIA WHO IGNORE US, IN ALL PROBABILITY, HAS ORDINARILY ALWAYS BEEN A PLAYGROUND. HAVING/HAD FUN MUPPETS/PUPPETS, ARE JITTERY, WOBBLING AND BOUNCY ARTICLES THAT CAN BE PLAYED ABOUT WITH -TO THE DETRIMENT. SO BE CAREFUL, THE FASTER ONE GOES UP AND DOWN ON THE PUPPET SHOW, THE MORE DIZZIER/CONFUSED ONE GETS WHEN IT FINALLY STOPS… INEVITABLY.’WHAT GOES ROUND, COMES ROUND’ – AS WELL. I hope the curtain of life never abruptly COLLAPSES ON YOU.

LIFE FOR US ON THE OTHER HAND UNFORTUNATELY HAS ALWAYS BEEN HELL. IT HAS NEVER BEEN ‘THE FUN OF THE FAIR’.

‘NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET’.

IT IS MORE THAN THE MEDIA’S JOB IS WORTH TO HAVE TO empathise. Self preservation – not self contamination is the media motto, I surmise.
It will not pay the media off in the long run to continue to view VICTIMS/SURVIVORS OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE WITH their tunnel – vision eyes!
Laser treatment is thus available and if the media invested heavily in it would be very rewarding.

“Prophets are never welcome on their own territory.”

GERALDINE KENNEDY,

CONTINUE PLAYING IN YOUR FUN-LOVING PLAYGROUND WITH BERTIE. AFTER ALL IT IS HE YOU ‘DIG’ NOT US!

YOU MAY BE UP IN THE AIR IN YOUR CUSHY JOB, BUT YOU COULD AS SOON AS ONE SAYS ‘MEDIA’ BE DOWN ON THE GROUND. YOU WILL THEN FIND THAT IT WILL BE VICTIM’S/SURVIVOR’S LIKE US WHOM YOU WILL SUDDENLY RECOGNISE! DOGS ALWAYS GO BACK TO WHERE THEY LEFT THEIR CALLING CARD. WE MIGHT FIND YOU FRANTICALLY HANDING US YOURS. WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS…WHO KNOWS! DOES IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU THAT ALL THIS VOMIT THAT HAS BEEN REGURGITATED  BY US WILL BE GOING DOWN THE ANNALS GULLET AND WILL BE A PART OF IRISH HISTORY WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR KITH AND KIND OF THE UNFORESEEABLE FUTURE TO READ IN PRINT THAT YOU TURNED YOUR BACK ON THEM, ALBEIT THE MOST VULNERABLE OF THEM. Those of whom by a long chalk, {excuse pun} were not given the chance of an education….Which is 99% APPROXIMATELY. The media does not want to know the real truth from the real victims. We are thus deemed too BACKWARD.

WE WERE EMOTIONALLY BURIED by the Irish media IN THE PAST, AND YOU AND YOUR CONTEMPORARIES WANT US TO REMAIN UNDERGROUND.
BUT WE HAVE RE-EMERGED ABOVE THE MURKY SOIL TO SHOUT ABOUT THE TOIL, SLAVERY, STARVATION AND GROSS ABUSE THAT WE HAD ON A DAILY BASIS TO ENDURE IN IRELANDS INDUSTRIAL SCHOOLS IN THE PAST. THE WORMS DID NOT SEEK US OUT WHILE WE WERE HIDDEN WE WERE TOO MANKY FOR THEIR LIKING. THEY ONLY GO AFTER RICH PICKINGS, LIKE THE MEDIA!. AND DARE I MENTION, CRANKY AND STUBBORN SOLICITORS WHO MAKE A SONG AND DANCE ABOUT NOWT.

THE MEDIA, LIKE THE RYAN COMMISSION TO INQUIRE INTO CHILD ABUSE IS PARTIAL TO SAMPLING AND GATHERING STORIES FROM THOSE WHO ONLY SPENT A ‘WET WEEK-END’ IN AN INSTITUTION OF INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL /REFORMATORY DESCRIPTION.

THANK YOU, RYS FOR GIVING ME A FORUM TO EXPRESS THE WRONGS OF HUMANITY AGAINST MAN.

If the media take the humannity out of humanity..it is left with the choice of is that?……I ponder!

BELLIGERENT, BELLICOSE, PUGNACIOUS, QUARRELSOME, CONTENTIOUS mean having an aggressive or fighting attitude, this may be so but what other means do we have to get our point of view across.

The Media

To his credit a former editor of the Evening Herald, Brian Quinn, stated the following in an article in the Irish Times on May 15th: As for journalists, we failed in our basic duties in the 1940s and 1950s. We allowed a strident Christian Brother to burst into the office of the manager to demand that a District Court case involving Artane be ‘spiked’ and not used in the Evening Herald. He would also invade the editorial room to announce the manager’s decision. He got away with that one more time.

To what extent was the media complicit in suppressing information about clerical abuse in industrial schools?
Was the experience of the Evening Herald unusual or was the media as a whole reluctant to probe stories which might cast the Catholic Church in a bad light?
How does the Catholic Church influence the media today? Are there important informal channels of communication between the Catholic Church and the important media organisations like RTE and the Irish Times? Is there or should there be a formal mechanism through which Church concerns can be conveyed to the media?

These matters deserve investigation as information does not become ‘public’ in contemporary society until it has been released through the media. Society cannot grapple with questions like the abuse of children in institutions unless the media report on them. As the media failed to perform its duty in the past, a mechanism of some sort should be put in place which would completely allay public fears that the Catholic Church enjoys a position of special influence.

ALL QUESTIONS FORMULATED BY AN IRISH SOCIALIST MAGAZINE.

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2006-11-21 18:52:36 fairplay Member Re: From the CrookedLawyers.com Guestbook {2}

As a practising solicitor now retired I think forums like this are good. Editors who allow rubbish up on the screen are maybe not so good. A total victim pampering website. Of course solicitor practices are businesses and none are trained in psychiatry. If you want consolation a half hour with an appropriate medical practitioner is your best bet providing you are willing to pay the fee, or do the wingeing commentators want that for free too.

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Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin Member Re: From the CrookedLawyers.com Guestbook {2}

Fairplay, You state you are a practising solicitor, then you follow on by stating that you are retired, which is it?. I also agree that forums like this are good, almost therapeutic!. I would also agree that moderators who allow ‘rubbish’ on this forum are not so good. Nonetheless, that is how one perceives ‘rubbish’ to be in the first place as one man’s/woman’s garbage can be another man’s/woman’s treasure!.OCD sufferers are notable hoarders and scatterbrains who somehow, always seem to have the knack of dumping their psychological ‘rubbish’ on any daft scavenger willing to take it. WELL! WELL! WELL!. “A TOTAL VICTIM PAMPERING WEBSITE” – if that is the case who needs the renowned Professor Anthony Clare of this Island IN HIS SWIVELLING CHAIR when RYS FORUM CAN rejuvenate and pamper one automatically with the instantaneous touch of a cyber-wave button!. Sure, are not all psychiatrists couches used for expressing oneself in that format, good for ‘self regulation’ I would surmise!. And considering all the nonsense one has to put up with from every angle of life these days – there is most certainly nothing wrong with that. Therapy! Therapy! Therapy! is okay. American ways, albeit, have been foisted upon us – with all this new found wealth – and the Irish psyche has to keep up with all this modernity, otherwise it will virtually perish. We must all look the Celtic Tiger in the eye and embrace it together if we are to survive instead of snarling at it, and others – of whom we deem inferior – and showing ungraciously in the process, our fangs, because we want to grab it for ourselves. Me-Feiners incarnate, self-protectionists and begrudgers were a part of our insular, parochial and isolationist naive attitudes of the past and these negativite, insecure norms invariably did not work. United we stand – divided we fall apart – and become forever embroiled in the BLAME GAME. ONE SECTION OF SOCIETY MUST NEVER HAVE THE MONOPOLY ON ALL THINGS PERTAINING TO HEALTH, WEALTH AND EDUCATION OF IRISH SOCIETY AS IT ONLY LEADS TO DIVISION, PAIN AND STRIFE. WHY DO SOLICITORS ALWAYS HAVE TO REMIND ONE THAT THEY ARE PRIMARILY ‘A BUSINESS?’ INDEED, THAT IS THE CASE, BUT, THEY ARE ALSO IN A FRAGILE POSITION OF HAVING TO HANDLE THE EMOTIONALITY OF CLIENTELE, IT GOES WITH THE TERRITORY. PSYCHOLOGY LESSONS, ON A DEEPER LEVEL, SHOULD BE TAUGHT AT LAW SCHOOLS. SOLICITORS EKE OUT A LUCRATIVE LIVING OFF THE BACKS OF TRAUMATISED AND GROSSLY DISTRESSED BROKEN AND VULNERABLE HUMAN BEINGS AND IF THEY ARE NOT SUFFICIENTLY TRAINED – THEY, LIKE COUNSELLORS, QUICKLY BURN OUT. ALL HELL THEN LETS LOOSE, AND IN THE FINALITY THERE ARE NO WINNERS WHERE MAYHEM AND DISSENSION ABOUNDS. ONLY ANGUISHED, SORROWFUL LOSERS!. Always remember – when someone points the finger at one there is always three pointing back!

Fairplay — why state the obvious? Jaysus, even the dogs in Kildare St./Parliament St. will tell you that solicitors are not trained in psychiatry, LET ALONE PSYCHOLOGY. Mind you, admittedly, I have to add that my solicitor is better than any trained psychiatrist in communication skills that is! To give a few examples; Michael E Hanahoe Solicitor’s firm has been for years dealing with victim’s/survivor’s of institutional abuse and has treated them extraordinarily well. There is none to compare with this firm in its handling of very traumatised, vulnerable and marginalised people – who were in the past failed miserably by society. Appropriate medical practitioners would have a lot to live up to – in my estimation to compete with the former mentioned. With the exception, that is – of Dr Michael Corry and Dr Anne Leader. They are definitely two consultant psychiatrists that I would thoroughly recommend to you – Fairplay, if you should chance to need ‘consolation’ in the aftermath of having read the scandalous, pitiable, horrendous stories from victim’s/survivor’s of abuse on this site. The choice is yours “providing you are willing to pay the fee, or do the wingeing commentators want that for free too?” In relation to the latter – in my particular situation the government provides the services free – gratis. There is nothing to whinge about in that respect from my perspective as there is no skin being taken off my nose. Gott sei dank!. .Let me add, though, something important here, that is, regarding institutional child abuse of the past it has, surely – as the day is long, caught up with the government and it is justifiably and righteously so only- mopping up, to some small degree the damage that sadly ensued. in its dreadful wake..Marie Therese O’ Loughlin.

Fairplay — I conclude with this last old adage or cliched truism as it may be in general…”there is no such thing as a free lunch!”

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2006-11-06 21:21:50 Marie-Therese O’Loughlin

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THE RELIGIOUS ARE FRAUDSTERS The Order of The Sisters of Mercy is nothing more than an order of fraudsters and I can prove it. TITLE VI: PHYSICAL AND JURIDICAL PERSONS. CHAPTER I: THE CANONICAL STATUS OF PHYSICAL PERSONS
Can. 96: By baptism one is incorporated into the Church of Christ and constituted a person in it, with the duties and the rights which, in accordance with each one’s status, are proper to Christians, in so far as they are in ecclesiastical communion and unless a lawfully issued sanction intervenes. Can. 97 ß1 a person, who has completed the eighteenth year of age, has attained majority; below this age, a person is a minor. ß2 a minor who has not completed the seventh year of age is an infant. In addition, is considered incapable of personal responsibility; on completion of the seventh year, however, the minor is presumed to have the use of reason. I can justify making the accusation I have because, given that at just under age 5yrs I was, on a voluntary basis, accepted by the Sisters of Mercy, Goldenbridge, industrial School, St.Vincent’s, Inchicore, Dublin 8 Ireland. From documents, I have discovered that I was there for some time before I was in front of a Dublin District Court Judge. Under the Children Act 1908, CHARGED WITH ‘DESTITUTION’ I WAS THEN – BY JUDGE, McCarthy ORDERED TO BE SENTENCED; – INTO GOLDENBRIDGE INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL UNTIL I WAS SIXTEEN YEARS OLD. If the Sisters of Mercy are not liars and fraudulent, they may wish to explain the following: 1. As stated above in Can 97, B2, A minor who has not completed the seventh year of age {who is called an infant}; and is considered incapable of personal responsibility…………….. Nonetheless, on completion of the seventh year, however, the minor is automatically then presumed to have reached the age of reason. 2. Why did they allow the Courts to charge me fully knowing that “I am incapable of personal responsibility”? – They needed the conviction to secure the child allowance How many of you out there were unjustly accused, because you were under age 7? – A lot I should imagine. How many Religious Orders had a hand in your detentions? Keep in mind, if these people say they did nothing wrong, why did they not fight the judicial system for the younger children on the grounds of being incapable due to age? I think I have made my case. Some parents were coerced into allowing their progeny to be handed over to the care of the religious orders purely for pecuniary gain.

Touting for business was very widespread in order to sustain the upkeep of the religious orders & their properties. They pleaded with the courts to keep sending children! A deliberation was not unfortunately – given to the emotionality/consciousness & well-being of the children. Capitation grants were all that MATTERED.

I GREW UP IN AN UNRECEPTIVE MILIEU WITH NOT A SOLITARY QUALIFIED PERSON IN SIGHT. AT ANY GIVEN TIME THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY 185 CHILDREN CONFINED. TWO NUNS, WHO WERE SKILLED IN ‘TEACHING ONLY’ HAD OVERALL RESPONSIBILITY. NOTWITHSTANDING, ALSO, THAT THEY HAD COMMITMENTS TO THEIR CONVENT WHICH WAS DIVORCED FROM THE INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL. THEREFORE, A HUGE QUANTITY OF TIME WAS SANDWICHED BETWEEN THE TWO.
IRISH SOCIETY WOULD NOT EVEN BEGIN TO HAVE A HANDLE ON THE LONELINESS, LACK OF LOVE/PARENTS/VISITORS, OR ADVERSITY OR SLAVE MANUAL LABOUR THAT INTERNEES HAD TO DO ON A DAILY BASIS. CHILDREN WERE ALWAYS DISTRESSED. NO AFFECTION WAS AFFORDED THEM, THEY EFFECTIVELY REASSURED THEMSELVES BY KNOCKING THEIR HEADS AGAINST THE CONDENSATED WALLS OF A BIG RECREATION HALL {IRONICALLY – COLLOQUIALLY KNOWN AS ‘THE WRECK’} OR ON ANY OTHER SUITABLE AVAILABLE WALLS. CHILDREN ALSO SOOTHED THEMSELVES BY PLACING THEIR FINGERS, THUMBS ALL AT THE SAME TIME IN THEIR MOUTHS. THE CONTORTIONISTIC -TYPE FACES ON THEM WAS HEART-RENDING, THE FRIGHTENING IMAGES STILL REMAIN WITH ME TO THIS VERY DAY.
OTHERS BIT THEIR NAILS BOTH ON THEIR HANDS & FEET, VERY ANIMALISTIC, BUT IT BROUGHT RELIEF.
A SECOND THOUGHT WAS NEVER GIVEN TO THE CHILDREN ONCE THEY ARRIVED AT THEIR RESPECTIVE INSTITUTIONS TO SERVE OUT THEIR TIME FOR CRIMES THEY NEVER COMMITTED IN THE FIRST INSTANCE. MOTHER IRELAND OUGHT TO HAVE BEEN ASHAMED OF ITSELF AT THE WAY IT TREATED ITS CHILDREN IN THE PAST & IT ISN’T BEFORE TIME THAT IT GOT ITS ACT TOGETHER. IT HAD TO BE COERCED INTO DOING WHAT IS RIGHT. SADLY TO SAY, IT WAS NOT OF THE STATES OWN VOLITION.
CHILDREN WERE always MERE CHATTELS/POSSESSIONS & COULD BE TREATED IN WHATEVER MANNER ADULTS THOUGHT FITTING WITHOUT EVER ASKING THEIR PERMISSION ON MATTERS PERTAINING TO THEM. THE PROCLAMATION WHICH STATES CLEARLY:”cherish all the children equally” WAS/IS IGNORED. Children Rule Okay!. Sisters of Mercy wake up to the call of Mother Catherine MaCauley, THE TEA IS ON THE HOB!

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2006-11-01 17:19:54 Marie-Therese O’Loughlin

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Acquired in the 1940s, & already in the 1950s the establishment was drawing complaints. Judge H. A. McCarthy had been making frequent representations to both relevant Departments about conditions in childcare institutions, and to the Department Of Education regarding Marlborough House specifically. A colleague on the bench (quoted by the judge) had been told by the Marlborough House Superintendent that bedding was being left for years unlaundered and not disinfected; that he (the Superintendent) had learned that there was no money to pay capable attendants (in the course of a discussion with the relevant Department Of Education official); and that the Superintendent had protested at the failure to appoint an official visitor.

Complaints – largely concerning physical abuse – were still mounting in the 1960s, and were taken in evidence by the (Kennedy) Commission of Enquiry into Reformatory and Industrial Schools. But even when judges and social workers/probation officers complained, the Department Of Education would scarcely reply. In 1969, shortly before its final Report, the Kennedy Commission wrote to the Department Of Education, saying that already in 1942 the building had been condemned as dangerous; that staff were untrained and unsuitable and recruited from the local labour exchange, and given to brutality]; and that at Marlborough House…is so dangerous from every aspect that something must be done immediately to eradicate those dangers”.

Finally, the boys there rioted. There was a staff walk-out – followed by more rioting. Then prison officers were sent in to replace staff – under the administration of a Department Of Justice official. He recalls: “The whole place was fouled with excrement, the bedding was urine soaked and infested with lice…Every bit of furniture was broken.” Desmond O’Malley, installed as Minister For Justice, even complained to the Department Of Education that his officials had recently been obstructed in trying to run the place. In 1972, the Department closed Marlborough House.

Anthony Keating is a Government of Ireland Post-Doctoral Research Fellow in the Humanities and Social Sciences, based in the School of Communications at Dublin City University.

Will source information here.

THE ABOVE IS INFORMATION CONCERNING JUDGE H. A. McCARTHY. It’s such a pity that the voices of the infants who were hauled before him in the courts weren’t heard. Older children could vent their distain, especially those who knew how to differentiate because of having lived in the outside world & because of having caregivers of some description or other. The infants unfortunately didn’t either have the luxury of social workers or probation officers to defend them, despite having criminal records from the ages, of three/four years onwards (affectionless thieves!)  IN THE PAST I WAS EXCRUCIATINGLY EMBITTERED WITH JUDGE McCARTHY, BECAUSE HE INCARCERATED ME INTO GOLDENBRIDGE INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL FOR A WHOLE CHILDHOOD. EVERY TIME I LOOKED AT HIS SIGNATURE ON MY COMMITTAL FORM WHICH I RECEIVED SOME YEARS AGO. IT QUITE LITERALLY SENT SHIVERS DOWN MY SPINE. IT BROUGHT SO MUCH INFURIATING, INTENSE DISPLEASURE TO THE FORE. THE NEGATIVE EMOTIONALITY, INDIGNATION, IRE, WRATH, AROUSED IN ME ON MERELY GLANCING AT SAME NEARLY DROVE ME TO SHEER MADNESS. BUT ALAS, RELIEF OF SORTS WAS EVENTUALLY FOUND ON READING ARTICLE ABOVE & ON HEARING OTHER POSITIVE STORIES OF OTHERS, WHOM HE GAVE A SECOND CHANCE – I NOW REALISE HE WAS ALSO A KIND MAN WHO DID CARE SOMEWHAT ABOUT VULNERABLE CHILDREN.